| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? 07:25 - Jan 30 with 31217 views | Glyn1 |
And why, exactly?
Controversial Jack, but who else?
From CJ : "Appears that it could only be 70% effective and not 90% , and none of those in the trial given the low dosage were over 55. Given that many won't have the vaccine and it's effectiveness is just 70% it's going to be a crock of shit."
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 12:52 - Feb 1 with 1153 views | A_Fans_Dad |
"Realistically, there is very little chance the vaccine would cause the body to attack syncytin or cause infertility."
How little it "very little"?
You quote a fact checking organisation to discredit a Professor of medicine.
Did you even bother to look at her bio?
Prof insults her as he insults everybody that does not agree with his position.
Yet he does not insult Oxford for their completely crap HCQ study which was not only designed to fail but dangerous for the patients.
There is a word for that. |  | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 12:56 - Feb 1 with 1152 views | jackrmee |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 12:49 - Feb 1 by Gwyn737 |
It's a newpaper article that shares direct quotes for the country's top vaccine statistical analyst.
The fact it's in a newpaper is neither here or there, it's first hand information, directly reported.
You'll never get a complete concensus as there are too many quacks and crank scientists out there. If it's that you're waiting for, it'll never come. |
But that "top vaccine statistical analyst" stated in the article:
"Maccabi figures released earlier this week indicated that vaccination is working very well, but lacked a control group that made it hard to extract an accurate effectiveness rate."
It also states things like "Full protection is believed to kick in a week after the second shot". I'm sorry, but "believed to kick in" is not concrete enough for me to stick something in me that I do not need. This does not make me believe that I am helping others by having the jab.
Again it states "Ekka Zohar said she was encouraged by the light symptoms of vaccinated people who caught the coronavirus". So it does not stop people contracting the virus. |  |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:02 - Feb 1 with 1146 views | Jack123 |
I stand by what I said last night.
For me it's a perfectly logical question to ask why would people be refused entry to a restaurant or a plane, when all that the vaccine does is lessen the condition, I find it absurd to be labelled as selfish and part of the problem, just for asking that question. |  |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:10 - Feb 1 with 1130 views | jackrmee |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:02 - Feb 1 by Jack123 |
I stand by what I said last night.
For me it's a perfectly logical question to ask why would people be refused entry to a restaurant or a plane, when all that the vaccine does is lessen the condition, I find it absurd to be labelled as selfish and part of the problem, just for asking that question. |
Completely and utterly agree.
I will only have the vaccine if there is real proof that it benefits the world as a whole.
I will not take it to make myself immune or to lessen my symptoms. I simply do not care about these issues.
I am not convinced that me having the vaccine makes my elderly Mum safer. Until it does, I will not have it.
I can understand services refusing people who refuse to supply a negative test, but refusing to get the vaccine makes no difference. | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:13 - Feb 1 with 1116 views | onehunglow |
Why choose not to have it?
Surely the risk is nothing a to what will happen if you catch it/ | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:18 - Feb 1 with 1110 views | exhmrc1 |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:02 - Feb 1 by Jack123 |
I stand by what I said last night.
For me it's a perfectly logical question to ask why would people be refused entry to a restaurant or a plane, when all that the vaccine does is lessen the condition, I find it absurd to be labelled as selfish and part of the problem, just for asking that question. |
Because just like you people and businesses are able to make a choice. You are making that choice. Others are making a choice not to use a business that allows people in who have chosen not to take their part in helping solve the virus and are happy to put others at risk instead of having the virus. If everyone decided like you then the virus would continue going around. | | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:18 - Feb 1 with 1114 views | jackrmee |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:13 - Feb 1 by onehunglow |
Why choose not to have it?
Surely the risk is nothing a to what will happen if you catch it/ |
Nothing will happen if I catch it though. In fact, I literally hope I catch it, so my immune system can build up to it.
There is literally no reason for someone healthy to have the jab. Unless someone can prove to me that I am harming the people around me then I will not have it. | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:26 - Feb 1 with 1108 views | Jack123 |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:18 - Feb 1 by exhmrc1 |
Because just like you people and businesses are able to make a choice. You are making that choice. Others are making a choice not to use a business that allows people in who have chosen not to take their part in helping solve the virus and are happy to put others at risk instead of having the virus. If everyone decided like you then the virus would continue going around. |
The thing is, you have replied but danced around the subject, it's a very simple question.
Why would it be of any concern, who does what, when the vaccine lessens symptoms.
What threat would someone pose who had not taken the vax compared to someone who has? It does not add up. | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:26 - Feb 1 with 1107 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:13 - Feb 1 by onehunglow |
Why choose not to have it?
Surely the risk is nothing a to what will happen if you catch it/ |
So, what is the risk?
If they don't know how do you?
This is the biggest gamble in Human health ever. [Post edited 1 Feb 2021 13:28]
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:28 - Feb 1 with 1105 views | Scotia |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 12:48 - Feb 1 by hobo |
Needs a comparison with the control group otherwise it's meaningless |
It is a comparison with a control group when considered as part of the trial - but it is the data regarding those who received the vaccine. There are a similar number who received the placebo.
It doesn't state how many of those became ill, but there are considerably more. | | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:49 - Feb 1 with 1082 views | Scotia |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:26 - Feb 1 by Jack123 |
The thing is, you have replied but danced around the subject, it's a very simple question.
Why would it be of any concern, who does what, when the vaccine lessens symptoms.
What threat would someone pose who had not taken the vax compared to someone who has? It does not add up. |
It doesn't just lesson symptoms.
It can stop you getting symptoms at all, getting infected and reduce the chance of giving it to others. | | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:51 - Feb 1 with 1080 views | CountyJim |
My thoughts are I was nervous having it but I want to give my Dad a Cwtch again and having the jab hopefully I won't give him the virus |  | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:52 - Feb 1 with 1079 views | Scotia |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:18 - Feb 1 by jackrmee |
Nothing will happen if I catch it though. In fact, I literally hope I catch it, so my immune system can build up to it.
There is literally no reason for someone healthy to have the jab. Unless someone can prove to me that I am harming the people around me then I will not have it. |
Why do you think that nothing will happen if you catch it? | | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:55 - Feb 1 with 1077 views | Jack123 |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:49 - Feb 1 by Scotia |
It doesn't just lesson symptoms.
It can stop you getting symptoms at all, getting infected and reduce the chance of giving it to others. |
Any evidence? | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:57 - Feb 1 with 1074 views | Scotia |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:55 - Feb 1 by Jack123 |
Any evidence? |
Yes. The five vaccine trials and the anecdotal evidence from Israel. | | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:00 - Feb 1 with 1068 views | Professor |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 11:44 - Feb 1 by jackrmee |
So is this the case with the flu vaccine too yeah? |
Yes-though not that great at stopping transmission. Flu is a very different virus | | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:01 - Feb 1 with 1067 views | Jack123 |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:57 - Feb 1 by Scotia |
Yes. The five vaccine trials and the anecdotal evidence from Israel. |
Sounds like speculation to me, even if you google what does the vaccine do, it comes back as reducing the effects of the virus.
If what you said was true, they would be shouting about it from the rooftops. | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:02 - Feb 1 with 1064 views | jackrmee |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:51 - Feb 1 by CountyJim |
My thoughts are I was nervous having it but I want to give my Dad a Cwtch again and having the jab hopefully I won't give him the virus |
Mate, it's not going to stop you having the virus and it's not going to stop you giving it to you Dad.
This is my main worry. People thinking that they are immune and somehow can't infect other people. This could lead to many more infections surely? | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:04 - Feb 1 with 1059 views | jackrmee |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:52 - Feb 1 by Scotia |
Why do you think that nothing will happen if you catch it? |
Because I'm healthy and young....ish.
I have very little chance of it harming me.
If it does it does. But all the stats suggest that I have very little risk of harm. | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:06 - Feb 1 with 1056 views | Whiterockin |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:02 - Feb 1 by Jack123 |
I stand by what I said last night.
For me it's a perfectly logical question to ask why would people be refused entry to a restaurant or a plane, when all that the vaccine does is lessen the condition, I find it absurd to be labelled as selfish and part of the problem, just for asking that question. |
As I have said before I expect visitors not to be allowed into countries unless they have received the vaccine. The vaccine helps to prevent hospitalisation which could burden the local health system. Expect it to be part of travel insurance as well. |  | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:06 - Feb 1 with 1051 views | jackrmee |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 13:57 - Feb 1 by Scotia |
Yes. The five vaccine trials and the anecdotal evidence from Israel. |
I can't find those vaccine trails off hand, but who commissioned or paid for these trials? The companies that want to sell the vaccines is my guess. | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:10 - Feb 1 with 1040 views | jackrmee |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:06 - Feb 1 by Whiterockin |
As I have said before I expect visitors not to be allowed into countries unless they have received the vaccine. The vaccine helps to prevent hospitalisation which could burden the local health system. Expect it to be part of travel insurance as well. |
I can see that being the case for people who have not been tested and can provide a negative test.
But having the vaccine does not even ensure that you are free of the virus. How would that help a country to control spread?
If you stop someone coming in who has had the vaccine, you still don't know whether they have the virus and can spread it.
If you stop people without a negative test result, this would help stop the spread. Shirley? | |
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| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:35 - Feb 1 with 1019 views | Professor |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 12:52 - Feb 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
"Realistically, there is very little chance the vaccine would cause the body to attack syncytin or cause infertility."
How little it "very little"?
You quote a fact checking organisation to discredit a Professor of medicine.
Did you even bother to look at her bio?
Prof insults her as he insults everybody that does not agree with his position.
Yet he does not insult Oxford for their completely crap HCQ study which was not only designed to fail but dangerous for the patients.
There is a word for that. |
Check her out AfD.
She is a crank who is also using the pandemic for her own means. Chair of the Irish Freedom Party and part of an agency arranging trips to Dublin for St Patricks Day.
She has a less than stellar track record in science. She is not a professor of medicine. She develops methods to study proteins, and is not exactly a world leader in that.
Cited as one of the leading sources of misinformation around the pandemic.
That is the view of the science community. I do wish you would stop spreading dangerous lies here. The likes of Jack 123 are swallowing this. | | | |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:43 - Feb 1 with 1013 views | Scotia |
| Who is going to refuse to be vaccinated? on 14:04 - Feb 1 by jackrmee |
Because I'm healthy and young....ish.
I have very little chance of it harming me.
If it does it does. But all the stats suggest that I have very little risk of harm. |
I wouldn't be that confident.
About 75000 people had one of the vaccines the UK has bought as part of the trials. Nobody died. Not one.
If 75000 45 year old men caught Covid about 375 would die. Approximately a further 7500 would need hospital treatment.
Having an existing medical condition will increase your risk, but is it really a gamble worth taking when the vaccine is safe? Also do you know you don't have a health condition you are unaware of?
I'm 44, healthy and not overweight. I'm chuffed I've been vaccinated. | | | |
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