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Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot.
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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Here is Joe Biden, talking about the time he blackmailed Ukraine into sacking a head prosecutor by threatening to withdraw a billion dollars in American aid, unless they did it.
We now know, that this was because Hunter Biden was privately contracted by a Ukrainian energy firm to get his dad to use his influence to stop the prosecutor looking into the companies dodgy affairs.
He delivered that.
This is corruption in every single sense of the word.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:59 - Oct 16 by Dr_Parnassus
Here is Joe Biden, talking about the time he blackmailed Ukraine into sacking a head prosecutor by threatening to withdraw a billion dollars in American aid, unless they did it.
We now know, that this was because Hunter Biden was privately contracted by a Ukrainian energy firm to get his dad to use his influence to stop the prosecutor looking into the companies dodgy affairs.
He delivered that.
This is corruption in every single sense of the word.
[Post edited 16 Oct 2020 15:00]
Proven corruption, the bloke and the whole Democrat party absolutely stinks. CNN are busy pretending that all of these facts emerging about Hunter and Joe are a Russian smear campaign...they are calling it a 'conspiracy' even though the facts are before our eyes.
A trivial thing that annoyed me about that video also was that the man is openly bragging about interfering in Ukrainian government, openly admitting blackmail, his family are raking in millions from the Ukrainians...and yet the bloke knows so little about the country that he can't even pronounce the name of their Capital city properly. Idiot.
🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 14:59 - Oct 16 by Dr_Parnassus
Here is Joe Biden, talking about the time he blackmailed Ukraine into sacking a head prosecutor by threatening to withdraw a billion dollars in American aid, unless they did it.
We now know, that this was because Hunter Biden was privately contracted by a Ukrainian energy firm to get his dad to use his influence to stop the prosecutor looking into the companies dodgy affairs.
He delivered that.
This is corruption in every single sense of the word.
[Post edited 16 Oct 2020 15:00]
Once again you are peddling rubbish.
The firing of Shokin was official US policy, in keeping with a broad international consensus - including the IMF and European nations. Shokin was fired because he didn't/wouldn't investigate Burisma...how would sacking Shokin for NOT investigating Burisma help Hunter Biden at Burisma!
Shokin's replacement DID investigate Burisma.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:39 - Oct 17 by DJack
Once again you are peddling rubbish.
The firing of Shokin was official US policy, in keeping with a broad international consensus - including the IMF and European nations. Shokin was fired because he didn't/wouldn't investigate Burisma...how would sacking Shokin for NOT investigating Burisma help Hunter Biden at Burisma!
Shokin's replacement DID investigate Burisma.
Incorrect, he was investigating Burisma. You are yet again peddling fantasy stories in an attempt to troll.
Hence the email from Burisma to Hunter Biden asking for assistance, hence the blackmail by Biden without the authority of Obama in order to further his families aims.
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On Nov. 2, 2015, at 4:36 p.m., a Burisma executive called Vadym Pozharskyi emailed Hunter Biden and his business partner, Devon Archer. The purpose of the email, Pozharskyi explains, is to "be on the same page re our final goals ... including, but not limited to: a concrete course of actions."
So what did Burisma want, exactly? Well, good PR, for starters. Pozharskyi wanted "high-ranking US [sic] officials" to express their "positive opinion" of Burisma, and then he wanted the administration to act on Burisma's behalf.
"The scope of work should also include organization of a visit of a number of widely recognized and influential current and/or former US [sic] policy-makers to Ukraine in November, aiming to conduct meetings with and bring positive signal/message and support" to Burisma.
The goal, Pozharskyi explained, was to "close down for [sic] any cases/pursuits" against the head of Burisma in Ukraine.
It couldn't be clearer what they wanted. Burisma wanted Huter Biden's father to get their company out of legal trouble with the Ukrainian government. And that's exactly what happened. One month later to the day, on Dec. 2, 2015, Hunter Biden received a notice from a Washington PR firm called Blue Star Strategies, which apparently had been hired to lobby the Obama administration on Ukraine. "Tucker Carlson Tonight" have exclusively obtained that email.
"Hello all ..." it began. "This morning, the White House hosted a conference call regarding the Vice President's upcoming trip to Ukraine. Attached is a memo from the Blue Star Strategies team with the minutes of the call, which outlined the trip's agenda and addressed several questions regarding U.S. policy toward Ukraine."
So here you have a PR firm involved in an official White House foreign policy call. How could that happen? Good question. But it worked.
Days later, Joe Biden flew to Ukraine and did exactly what his son wanted. The vice president gave a speech slamming the very Ukrainian law enforcement official who was tormenting Burisma. If the Ukrainian government didn't fire its top prosecutor, a man called Viktor Shokin, Biden explained, the administration would withhold a billion dollars in American aid. Now, Ukraine is a poor country, so they had no choice but to obey. Biden's bullying worked. He bragged about it later.
The obvious question: Why was the vice president of the United States threatening a tiny country like Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor? That doesn't seem like a vice president's role. Well, now we know why.
Viktor Shokin has signed an affidavit affirming that he was, in fact, investigating Burisma at the moment Joe Biden had him removed. Shokin said that before he was fired, administration officials pressured him to drop the case against Burisma. He would not do that, so Joe Biden canned him.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 00:52 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus
On Nov. 2, 2015, at 4:36 p.m., a Burisma executive called Vadym Pozharskyi emailed Hunter Biden and his business partner, Devon Archer. The purpose of the email, Pozharskyi explains, is to "be on the same page re our final goals ... including, but not limited to: a concrete course of actions."
So what did Burisma want, exactly? Well, good PR, for starters. Pozharskyi wanted "high-ranking US [sic] officials" to express their "positive opinion" of Burisma, and then he wanted the administration to act on Burisma's behalf.
"The scope of work should also include organization of a visit of a number of widely recognized and influential current and/or former US [sic] policy-makers to Ukraine in November, aiming to conduct meetings with and bring positive signal/message and support" to Burisma.
The goal, Pozharskyi explained, was to "close down for [sic] any cases/pursuits" against the head of Burisma in Ukraine.
It couldn't be clearer what they wanted. Burisma wanted Huter Biden's father to get their company out of legal trouble with the Ukrainian government. And that's exactly what happened. One month later to the day, on Dec. 2, 2015, Hunter Biden received a notice from a Washington PR firm called Blue Star Strategies, which apparently had been hired to lobby the Obama administration on Ukraine. "Tucker Carlson Tonight" have exclusively obtained that email.
"Hello all ..." it began. "This morning, the White House hosted a conference call regarding the Vice President's upcoming trip to Ukraine. Attached is a memo from the Blue Star Strategies team with the minutes of the call, which outlined the trip's agenda and addressed several questions regarding U.S. policy toward Ukraine."
So here you have a PR firm involved in an official White House foreign policy call. How could that happen? Good question. But it worked.
Days later, Joe Biden flew to Ukraine and did exactly what his son wanted. The vice president gave a speech slamming the very Ukrainian law enforcement official who was tormenting Burisma. If the Ukrainian government didn't fire its top prosecutor, a man called Viktor Shokin, Biden explained, the administration would withhold a billion dollars in American aid. Now, Ukraine is a poor country, so they had no choice but to obey. Biden's bullying worked. He bragged about it later.
The obvious question: Why was the vice president of the United States threatening a tiny country like Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor? That doesn't seem like a vice president's role. Well, now we know why.
Viktor Shokin has signed an affidavit affirming that he was, in fact, investigating Burisma at the moment Joe Biden had him removed. Shokin said that before he was fired, administration officials pressured him to drop the case against Burisma. He would not do that, so Joe Biden canned him.
You're pushing Tucker Carlson disinformation...
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:29 - Oct 17 with 1101 views
Investigation now underway into Biden’s role in the dismissal of sitting Ukrainian prosecutor.
Biden now out to $1.55 and drifting, this has had a 28% swing impact and rising. This is significant.
I've not clicked on your link but let me guess it's the Republican members instigating the Investigation...You know the FBI have had the laptop for ever and zilch
"But her emails" all over again. Pathetic.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:54 - Oct 17 by DJack
I've not clicked on your link but let me guess it's the Republican members instigating the Investigation...You know the FBI have had the laptop for ever and zilch
"But her emails" all over again. Pathetic.
Wrong again.
You have no reason not to click my links, I am willing to debate absolutely everything I post. Every word.
KYIV – A court ruling in Ukraine has forced state investigators to open a probe into alleged pressure by then-vice president Joe Biden that led to the 2016 dismissal of Viktor Shokin as the country’s prosecutor general, officials said Thursday.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 01:57 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus
Wrong again.
You have no reason not to click my links, I am willing to debate absolutely everything I post. Every word.
KYIV – A court ruling in Ukraine has forced state investigators to open a probe into alleged pressure by then-vice president Joe Biden that led to the 2016 dismissal of Viktor Shokin as the country’s prosecutor general, officials said Thursday.
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Daria Kaleniuk, director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, said that under Ukrainian law, anyone could go to court and demand that the SBI open a case. If a court approved it, the SBI was required by law to do so, even if officials did not believe there was enough evidence.
“The fact that it was opened after a decision of the court indicates that first the SBI didn’t open this case, but the attorneys of Shokin made the SBI open this case,” she said.
“Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:04 - Oct 17 by DJack
Daria Kaleniuk, director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, said that under Ukrainian law, anyone could go to court and demand that the SBI open a case. If a court approved it, the SBI was required by law to do so, even if officials did not believe there was enough evidence.
“The fact that it was opened after a decision of the court indicates that first the SBI didn’t open this case, but the attorneys of Shokin made the SBI open this case,” she said.
“Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”
that’s utterly hilarious.
Back in the real world however, a pretty concrete investigation is under way of pretty clear Government level corruption.
Video and email evidence make it possibly the strongest case of corruption I have seen.
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Former Vice President Joe Biden, now a 2020 Democratic presidential contender, has locked into a specific story about the controversy in Ukraine.
He insists that, in spring 2016, he strong-armed Ukraine to fire its chief prosecutor solely because Biden believed that official was corrupt and inept, not because the Ukrainian was investigating a natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, that hired Biden's son, Hunter, into a lucrative job.
There's just one problem.
Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents - many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles - conflict with Biden's narrative.
And they raise the troubling prospect that U.S. officials may have painted a false picture in Ukraine that helped ease Burisma's legal troubles and stop prosecutors' plans to interview Hunter Biden during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
For instance, Burisma's American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Biden forced the firing of the country's chief prosecutor and offered "an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures" about the Ukrainian prosecutors, according to the Ukrainian government's official memo of the meeting. The effort to secure that meeting began the same day the prosecutor's firing was announced.
In addition, Burisma's American team offered to introduce Ukrainian prosecutors to Obama administration officials to make amends, according to that memo and the American legal team's internal emails.
The memos raise troubling questions:
1.) If the Ukraine prosecutor's firing involved only his alleged corruption and ineptitude, why did Burisma's American legal team refer to those allegations as "false information?"
2.) If the firing had nothing to do with the Burisma case, as Biden has adamantly claimed, why would Burisma's American lawyers contact the replacement prosecutor within hours of the termination and urgently seek a meeting in Ukraine to discuss the case?
Ukrainian prosecutors say they have tried to get this information to the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) since the summer of 2018, fearing it might be evidence of possible violations of U.S. ethics laws. First, they hired a former federal prosecutor to bring the information to the U.S. attorney in New York, who, they say, showed no interest. Then, the Ukrainians reached out to President Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
Ukraine's new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, told Trump in July that he plans to launch his own wide-ranging investigation into what happened with the Bidens and Burisma.
"I'm knowledgeable about the situation," Zelensky told Trump, asking the American president to forward any evidence he might know about. "The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case."
Biden has faced scrutiny since December 2015, when the New York Times published a story noting that Burisma hired Hunter Biden just weeks after the vice president was asked by President Obama to oversee U.S.-Ukraine relations. That story also alerted Biden's office that Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin had an active investigation of Burisma and its founder.
Documents I obtained this year detail an effort to change the narrative after the Times story about Hunter Biden, with the help of the Obama State Department.
Hunter Biden's American business partner in Burisma, Devon Archer, texted a colleague two days after the Times story about a strategy to counter the "new wave of scrutiny" and stated that he and Hunter Biden had just met at the State Department. The text suggested there was about to be a new "USAID project the embassy is announcing with us" and that it was "perfect for us to move forward now with momentum."
I have sued the State Department for any records related to that meeting. The reason is simple: There is both a public interest and an ethics question to knowing if Hunter Biden and his team sought State's assistance while his father was vice president.
The controversy ignited anew earlier this year when I disclosed that Joe Biden admitted during a 2018 videotaped speech that, as vice president in March 2016, he threatened to cancel $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, to pressure Ukraine's then-President Petro Poroshenko to fire Shokin.
At the time, Shokin's office was investigating Burisma. Shokin told me he was making plans to question Hunter Biden about $3 million in fees that Biden and his partner, Archer, collected from Burisma through their American firm. Documents seized by the FBI in an unrelated case confirm the payments, which in many months totaled more than $166,000.
Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma's owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General's office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me. One of those cases involved taxes; the other, allegations of corruption. Burisma announced the cases against it were not closed and settled until January 2017.
After I first reported it in a column, the New York Times and ABC News published similar stories confirming my reporting.
Joe Biden has since responded that he forced Shokin's firing over concerns about corruption and ineptitude, which he claims were widely shared by Western allies, and that it had nothing to do with the Burisma investigation.
Some of the new documents I obtained call that claim into question.
In a newly sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. "The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors," Shokin testified.
"On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation," Shokin added.
Shokin certainly would have reason to hold a grudge over his firing. But his account is supported by documents from Burisma's legal team in America, which appeared to be moving into Ukraine with intensity as Biden's effort to fire Shokin picked up steam.
Burisma's own accounting records show that it paid tens of thousands of dollars while Hunter Biden served on the board of an American lobbying and public relations firm, Blue Star Strategies, run by Sally Painter and Karen Tramontano, who both served in President Bill Clinton's administration.
Just days before Biden forced Shokin's firing, Painter met with the No. 2 official at the Ukrainian embassy in Washington and asked to meet officials in Kiev around the same time that Joe Biden visited there. Ukrainian embassy employee Oksana Shulyar emailed Painter afterward: "With regards to the meetings in Kiev, I suggest that you wait until the next week when there is an expected vote of the government's reshuffle."
Ukraine's Washington embassy confirmed the conversations between Shulyar and Painter but said the reference to a shakeup in Ukrainian government was not specifically referring to Shokin's firing or anything to do with Burisma.
Painter then asked one of the Ukraine embassy's workers to open the door for meetings with Ukraine's prosecutors about the Burisma investigation, the memos show. Eventually, Blue Star would pay that Ukrainian official money for his help with the prosecutor's office.
At the time, Blue Star worked in concert with an American criminal defense lawyer, John Buretta, who was hired by Burisma to help address the case in Ukraine. The case was settled in January 2017 for a few million dollars in fines for alleged tax issues.
Buretta, Painter, Tramontano, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's campaign have not responded to numerous calls and emails seeking comment.
On March 29, 2016, the day Shokin's firing was announced, Buretta asked to speak with Yuriy Sevruk, the prosecutor named to temporarily replace Shokin, but was turned down, the memos show.
Blue Star, using the Ukrainian embassy worker it had hired, eventually scored a meeting with Sevruk on April 6, 2016, a week after Shokin's firing. Buretta, Tramontano and Painter attended that meeting in Kiev, according to Blue Star's memos.
Sevruk memorialized the meeting in a government memo that the general prosecutor's office provided to me, stating that the three Americans offered an apology for the "false" narrative that had been provided by U.S. officials about Shokin being corrupt and inept.
"They realized that the information disseminated in the U.S. was incorrect and that they would facilitate my visit to the U.S. for the purpose of delivering the true information to the State Department management," the memo stated.
The memo also quoted the Americans as saying they knew Shokin pursued an aggressive corruption investigation against Burisma's owner, only to be thwarted by British allies: "These individuals noted that they had been aware that the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine had implemented all required steps for prosecution ... and that he was released by the British court due to the underperformance of the British law enforcement agencies."
The memo provides a vastly different portrayal of Shokin than Biden's. And its contents are partially backed by subsequent emails from Blue Star and Buretta that confirm the offer to bring Ukrainian authorities to meet the Obama administration in Washington.
For instance, Tramontano wrote the Ukrainian prosecution team on April 16, 2016, saying U.S. Justice Department officials, including top international prosecutor Bruce Swartz, might be willing to meet. "The reforms are not known to the US Justice Department and it would be useful for the Prosecutor General to meet officials in the US and share this information directly," she wrote.
Buretta sent a similar email to the Ukrainians, writing that "I think you would find it productive to meet with DOJ officials in Washington" and providing contact information for Swartz. "I would be happy to help," added Buretta, a former senior DOJ official.
Burisma, Buretta and Blue Star continued throughout 2016 to try to resolve the open issues in Ukraine, and memos recount various contacts with the State Department and the U.S. embassy in Kiev seeking help in getting the Burisma case resolved.
Just days before Trump took office, Burisma announced it had resolved all of its legal issues. And Buretta gave an interview in Ukraine about how he helped navigate the issues.
Today, two questions remain.
One is whether it was ethically improper or even illegal for Biden to intervene to fire the prosecutor handling Burisma's case, given his son's interests. That is one that requires more investigation and the expertise of lawyers.
The second is whether Biden has given the American people an honest accounting of what happened. The new documents I obtained raise serious doubts about his story's credibility. And that's an issue that needs to be resolved by voters.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:18 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus
It’s not a fact, it’s a biased and obviously incorrect opinion made prior to the evidence coming to light.
This is the most clear case of corruption in modern US - Ukraine relations history.
So you say "incorrect opinion made prior to the evidence coming to light. "
And yet you post"This is the most clear case of corruption in modern US - Ukraine relations history. " when NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THAT CLAIM IS EVIDENT.
You are continually pushing conservative propaganda.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:28 - Oct 17 by DJack
So you say "incorrect opinion made prior to the evidence coming to light. "
And yet you post"This is the most clear case of corruption in modern US - Ukraine relations history. " when NO EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THAT CLAIM IS EVIDENT.
You are continually pushing conservative propaganda.
Eh?
The supporting evidence is the emails from Burisma paying Hunter to get his Dad to get rid of the prosecutor looking into them, followed by Biden’s admission that he blackmailed them without the awareness of the President in order to sack the prosecutor.
This isn’t propaganda, I can only assume that’s the latest word you don’t understand.
The Ukrainian President has stated that there will be an investigation.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:31 - Oct 17 by Dr_Parnassus
Eh?
The supporting evidence is the emails from Burisma paying Hunter to get his Dad to get rid of the prosecutor looking into them, followed by Biden’s admission that he blackmailed them without the awareness of the President in order to sack the prosecutor.
This isn’t propaganda, I can only assume that’s the latest word you don’t understand.
The Ukrainian President has stated that there will be an investigation.
Only one prosecutor Investigated Burisma and it WASN'T Shokin.
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🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 on 02:36 - Oct 17 with 1063 views
"The White House was warned by US intelligence agencies last year that Rudy Giuliani was targeted by Russia to feed misinformation to Donald Trump.
Reporting by The Washington Post, based on information from four former officials familiar with the matter, says that the president’s personal lawyer interacted with individuals tied to Russian intelligence during his December 2019 visit to Ukraine.
The warnings from the intelligence services to the White House led national security adviser Robert O’Brien to caution Mr Trump that information brought back from Ukraine by Mr Giuliani should be considered contaminated by Russia, according to one of the officials.
Mr Giuliani visited Ukraine to gather information that he thought would implicate Joe Biden and his son Hunter in corrupt acts.
The Post reports one of the sources as saying that message back to the White House was: “Do what you want to do, but your friend Rudy has been worked by Russian assets in Ukraine.""
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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that’s utterly hilarious.