| 🇺🇸Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread”🇺🇸 01:18 - Sep 29 with 209064 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Who will be watching? First one kicks off in 24 hours time.
The Democrats have pulled Joe back from his campaign trail recently to get him prepared, so hopefully it will be a decent exchange.
Unfortunately they don’t seem to have great confidence as they have spent the last month looking for any dirt they can dig up so Joe can use if he gets stuck.
It’s no coincidence that this vote influencing Facebook algorithm story is being shamelessly and inaccurately made into a race issue on the eve of the debates. So transparent and disingenuous, it’s a shame politics has come to this on this level where black people are being used in this way to score political points. I would be furious if I was them, but it does seem a lot of people are not falling for this one and calling it out for what it is.
People finally seem to be getting wise to this political race baiting which is refreshing to see.
It’s also telling that in the week of the debate they try and paint Trump as a tax evasion offender. I think that’s what they wanted the tax returns to show, they seem to have got annoyed when it turns out his tax returns were fine in accordance to what his companies profits were - but decided to run with it anyway. Any news is good news in their mind as it’s another thing Joe can use when in a tricky spot.
But I hope the discussions remain political and doesn’t turn into some form of gossip peddling reality TV episode.
Although I think there should be some kind of drinking game involved if it does turn that way, how many times Biden completely loses his thread of thought and blurts out “I mean, think about it...” you have to take a shot. 
I will be watching with great interest anyway.
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 15:57 - Oct 3 with 1386 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 15:49 - Oct 3 by trampie |
What polls do you take note of ? [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 15:55]
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I judge them on their own individual merits.
Here is a study from UCLA on the media bias in the States. It’s a 30 page paper on the subject with the required data fields.
https://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty_pages/romain.wacziarg/mediapapers/Groseclo
A quote from the conclusion:-
“Although we expected to find that most media lean left, we were astounded by the degree” | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:05 - Oct 3 with 1372 views | trampie |
Which ones do you follow, give me examples. |  |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:08 - Oct 3 with 1368 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:05 - Oct 3 by trampie |
Which ones do you follow, give me examples. |
There is no specific type. I judge them on their own merits as and when they are presented.
But I assume just like the debates you will go with the consensus now
Glad we agreed in the end. | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:12 - Oct 3 with 1362 views | trampie |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:08 - Oct 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
There is no specific type. I judge them on their own merits as and when they are presented.
But I assume just like the debates you will go with the consensus now
Glad we agreed in the end. |
So no polls from any of the previously mentioned 'publications' that you sight as right wing and left wing then ? | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:18 - Oct 3 with 1351 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:12 - Oct 3 by trampie |
So no polls from any of the previously mentioned 'publications' that you sight as right wing and left wing then ? |
Again, I judge them on their own individual merit.
Depends what they are about and whether I foresee a bias. For example a poll on favourite flavour of ice cream on the left wing CNN I would probably be inclined to accept the result of, yet one on who is the better party Democrats or Republicans - I would take with a pinch of salt.
There is no hard and fast rule. I don’t particularly see where the voting bias comes into it when deciding which media platform has left or right leaning bias. The content speaks for itself. | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:24 - Oct 3 with 1343 views | trampie |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:18 - Oct 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
Again, I judge them on their own individual merit.
Depends what they are about and whether I foresee a bias. For example a poll on favourite flavour of ice cream on the left wing CNN I would probably be inclined to accept the result of, yet one on who is the better party Democrats or Republicans - I would take with a pinch of salt.
There is no hard and fast rule. I don’t particularly see where the voting bias comes into it when deciding which media platform has left or right leaning bias. The content speaks for itself. |
Oh i see you only accept a poll if it coincides with your own personal bias. | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:27 - Oct 3 with 1338 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:24 - Oct 3 by trampie |
Oh i see you only accept a poll if it coincides with your own personal bias. |
You think I have a bias on flavour of ice cream? I assure you I don’t. I rarely eat the stuff.
As I said, polls are judged on their own merits and the levels of bias determined before considering the results.
Fairly standard practice I would have thought. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 16:28]
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:35 - Oct 3 with 1326 views | trampie |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:27 - Oct 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
You think I have a bias on flavour of ice cream? I assure you I don’t. I rarely eat the stuff.
As I said, polls are judged on their own merits and the levels of bias determined before considering the results.
Fairly standard practice I would have thought. [Post edited 3 Oct 2020 16:28]
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Who determines polls are biased ? | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:38 - Oct 3 with 1323 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:35 - Oct 3 by trampie |
Who determines polls are biased ? |
“Who” determines it is probably the wrong question, “what” determines it is more to the point.
That would be common sense and an awareness of who is voting. | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:49 - Oct 3 with 1309 views | trampie |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:38 - Oct 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
“Who” determines it is probably the wrong question, “what” determines it is more to the point.
That would be common sense and an awareness of who is voting. |
So none of the 'publications' that you list both as being right and left will meet the criteria for publishing an unbiased political poll ? | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:52 - Oct 3 with 1307 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:49 - Oct 3 by trampie |
So none of the 'publications' that you list both as being right and left will meet the criteria for publishing an unbiased political poll ? |
Depends what the poll was about. Some political subjects would hold no partisan answer. | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:58 - Oct 3 with 1301 views | trampie |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:52 - Oct 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
Depends what the poll was about. Some political subjects would hold no partisan answer. |
What if they did a poll asking who is going to be the next President ? | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:59 - Oct 3 with 1299 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:58 - Oct 3 by trampie |
What if they did a poll asking who is going to be the next President ? |
What about it? | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 17:17 - Oct 3 with 1288 views | DJack |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 12:26 - Oct 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
Ah Scott Adams' drawings, I like him, he's a Trump supporter too. |
Yep, he is. He sold out for reduced taxes. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 17:22 - Oct 3 with 1287 views | DJack |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 15:00 - Oct 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
I see, that’s probably where you are going wrong then. It’s well known they are left wing.
If you are unsure feel free to match my list up to this:-
It is split into “left”, “left leaning”, “center”, “right leaning” and “right”.
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You need to post that to AfD Kerouac and highlight the fact that the BBC is placed firmly in the centre... | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 17:24 - Oct 3 with 1285 views | DJack |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 16:18 - Oct 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
Again, I judge them on their own individual merit.
Depends what they are about and whether I foresee a bias. For example a poll on favourite flavour of ice cream on the left wing CNN I would probably be inclined to accept the result of, yet one on who is the better party Democrats or Republicans - I would take with a pinch of salt.
There is no hard and fast rule. I don’t particularly see where the voting bias comes into it when deciding which media platform has left or right leaning bias. The content speaks for itself. |
Dont you often state that that stating or thinking something is right does not make it true... | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 17:28 - Oct 3 with 1284 views | DJack |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 15:30 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad |
It is a bit out of date, Fox news can no longer be considered a right wing site, since Murdoch Jnr got involved they attack Trump and Republicans far more than support them.
Plus in no way is the Dail Mail "right wing", if theyever were, they regurgitate just as much left wing MSM reports and editiorials as right wing. |
That is the biggest load of tripe ever. Fox still heavily pushes right wing agendas/talking points, it still attacks anything not right wing. They only gave Trump shit because he was acting like an idiot. As for the Mail you are in a diffrent universe compared to the rest of us on the planet | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 20:03 - Oct 3 with 1227 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 17:28 - Oct 3 by DJack |
That is the biggest load of tripe ever. Fox still heavily pushes right wing agendas/talking points, it still attacks anything not right wing. They only gave Trump shit because he was acting like an idiot. As for the Mail you are in a diffrent universe compared to the rest of us on the planet |
Isn't it odd how opposite sides of the debate see things?
Most people judge a media outlet by the people they employ and Fox news does not employ all right leaning reporters and presenters.
Would you say all the criticism in the Mail about Johnson's handling of the pandemic is supporting the right wing Conservative party narrative? |  | | |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 20:09 - Oct 3 with 1222 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 17:22 - Oct 3 by DJack |
You need to post that to AfD Kerouac and highlight the fact that the BBC is placed firmly in the centre... |
Very odd how the US citizens view the BBC as Central, they bash the US President at every opportunity on their news shows. | | | |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 20:52 - Oct 3 with 1202 views | DJack |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 20:03 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad |
Isn't it odd how opposite sides of the debate see things?
Most people judge a media outlet by the people they employ and Fox news does not employ all right leaning reporters and presenters.
Would you say all the criticism in the Mail about Johnson's handling of the pandemic is supporting the right wing Conservative party narrative? |
They are critising him as they want some one more to the right then he for Prime Minister. You are either being obtuse or are struggling to comprehend what is happening before you. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 21:18 - Oct 3 with 1189 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 20:52 - Oct 3 by DJack |
They are critising him as they want some one more to the right then he for Prime Minister. You are either being obtuse or are struggling to comprehend what is happening before you. |
Wow, there was silly old me thinking they were criticising him for his absolutely useless performance, I stand corrected by your far superior knowledge. | | | |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 21:59 - Oct 3 with 1179 views | DJack |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 21:18 - Oct 3 by A_Fans_Dad |
Wow, there was silly old me thinking they were criticising him for his absolutely useless performance, I stand corrected by your far superior knowledge. |
That was a given ya lemon, also your reply undermines your point on the Mail and conservatism...awkward
The level of the criticism from the Mail does not demonstrate that they are not right wing it just demonstrates what we already know...Boris and Cummings have been inept and they want someone else in place. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 22:24 - Oct 3 with 1174 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 17:24 - Oct 3 by DJack |
Dont you often state that that stating or thinking something is right does not make it true... |
It’s not my thinking, it’s reality.
Hence I have the data and studies that mirror it. | |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 23:06 - Oct 3 with 1153 views | DJack |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 22:24 - Oct 3 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not my thinking, it’s reality.
Hence I have the data and studies that mirror it. |
Er, no you dont. You pick arguments to go with youtube vids or bare statistics bereft of context. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 23:11 - Oct 3 with 1147 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Presidential debate round 1 - “Matchday thread” on 23:06 - Oct 3 by DJack |
Er, no you dont. You pick arguments to go with youtube vids or bare statistics bereft of context. |
What do you mean? I just gave 90 pages of various academic studies complete with data fields and conclusions.
Something tells me you are just being silly. | |
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