| Eze. 21:05 - Jul 30 with 18390 views | Bobbi66 |
Hope we don't get mugged on transfer fee .We know he's leaving must get the price. |  | | |  |
| Eze. on 12:54 - Aug 11 with 2332 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Eze. on 12:29 - Aug 11 by Antti_Heinola |
The club won every appeal going. Had they known it would take that long they never would have bothered, but I'm not sure how they could have anticipated that.
There really wasn't much else they could've done.
Unless... you know... you, er, know some people who know some people? |
Correction, Ealing Council won every appeal going. There was a lot more that the club could do, including starting construction when all legal avenues were exhausted in November 2018.
And Tony did know that it would take a long time. In August 2014 he considered scrapping the project due to delays.
Here's a link to help you get your facts straight:
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-qpr-fc-training-ground-warren-farm-
In the meantime, I suggest we focus this thread on Eze rather than go off on a tangent about Warren Farm, a horse that after 8 long years is well and truly dead. [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 12:55]
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| Eze. on 13:02 - Aug 11 with 2285 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Eze. on 12:54 - Aug 11 by Benny_the_Ball |
Correction, Ealing Council won every appeal going. There was a lot more that the club could do, including starting construction when all legal avenues were exhausted in November 2018.
And Tony did know that it would take a long time. In August 2014 he considered scrapping the project due to delays.
Here's a link to help you get your facts straight:
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-qpr-fc-training-ground-warren-farm-
In the meantime, I suggest we focus this thread on Eze rather than go off on a tangent about Warren Farm, a horse that after 8 long years is well and truly dead. [Post edited 11 Aug 2020 12:55]
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I think you make some good points, Benny, but I would make two more.
Ealing Council won the cases because they were the owners.
In November 18, Rangers still needed planning and permits which couldn't have been done beforehand. If they had started without either they would have been shut down, would have had to reinstate at their cost. |  |
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| Eze. on 13:04 - Aug 11 with 2270 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Eze. on 12:46 - Aug 11 by danehoop |
I am struggling to see what the club could have done differently on Warren Farm. They did everything by the book, ultimately they probably would have prevailed over a very determined opposition using every available avenue. When another better option turned up that wasnt previously available they rightly took that, rather than spend additional time and legal fees to take on a more expensive project. That looks pretty sensible on balance.
I have every confidence in what they are doing. Hoos is an exceptionally experienced and effective Chief Executive. Amit is applying what has previously been missing as Chairman in being on the ground and entirely focused on QPR. I'd suggest that, particularly since Amit's return, we have a remarkably well run club that is closer to its community than it has been in a generation, has a genuinely exciting set of players and youth system which is genuinely developing talent.
When it comes to transfer dealings they have also shown themselves to be fairly adept at identifying and attracting talent and starting to sell players at a profit. They can though only work in the market that is out there. If there are few bids coming in, they cant sell for the prices they might like or we, as fans, believe they are worth. When Cardiff bought Smithies they were the only club bidding. We needed the cash then because of FFP, it may have been a bargain for Cardiff (although he hardly set the place alight for them initially) but it was the only offer for our players that season.
If we only receive a bid of 12M from Palace for Eze this transfer window and don't take it, will that be good business? That sort of money would effectively run the clubs payroll for a few years and allow some investment in the squad. If we dont sell him as our valuation hasnt been met we will go into next season with a brilliant talent for a further year, but who's value will decrease because of the reduced contract length. We equally may not be able to improve other areas of the squad if both he and Bright stay. That may see us in real problems in 2021/22. So again, would 12M be a particularly bad piece of business now given the risks which we may face in future? |
Agree with all of that, dane.
I think with Eze, though, we would reject bids as low as £12m as he has two years to run on his contract, but your point is good. | |
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| Eze. on 13:09 - Aug 11 with 2225 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Eze. on 12:46 - Aug 11 by danehoop |
I am struggling to see what the club could have done differently on Warren Farm. They did everything by the book, ultimately they probably would have prevailed over a very determined opposition using every available avenue. When another better option turned up that wasnt previously available they rightly took that, rather than spend additional time and legal fees to take on a more expensive project. That looks pretty sensible on balance.
I have every confidence in what they are doing. Hoos is an exceptionally experienced and effective Chief Executive. Amit is applying what has previously been missing as Chairman in being on the ground and entirely focused on QPR. I'd suggest that, particularly since Amit's return, we have a remarkably well run club that is closer to its community than it has been in a generation, has a genuinely exciting set of players and youth system which is genuinely developing talent.
When it comes to transfer dealings they have also shown themselves to be fairly adept at identifying and attracting talent and starting to sell players at a profit. They can though only work in the market that is out there. If there are few bids coming in, they cant sell for the prices they might like or we, as fans, believe they are worth. When Cardiff bought Smithies they were the only club bidding. We needed the cash then because of FFP, it may have been a bargain for Cardiff (although he hardly set the place alight for them initially) but it was the only offer for our players that season.
If we only receive a bid of 12M from Palace for Eze this transfer window and don't take it, will that be good business? That sort of money would effectively run the clubs payroll for a few years and allow some investment in the squad. If we dont sell him as our valuation hasnt been met we will go into next season with a brilliant talent for a further year, but who's value will decrease because of the reduced contract length. We equally may not be able to improve other areas of the squad if both he and Bright stay. That may see us in real problems in 2021/22. So again, would 12M be a particularly bad piece of business now given the risks which we may face in future? |
Yes, it would. In itself, the valuation is too low. Furthermore, Palace's offer was made up of an £8million fee plus £4million add-ons that were tied into unlikely outcomes such as Crystal Palace qualifying for Europe. Eze is still under contract and QPR can comfortably sell him for £12million in January should no one bite in the summer.
Accepting such a deal would send out a signal to other clubs that QPR are still weak when it comes to transfer negotiations and set a precedent for future dealings. With the new strategy and foundations firmly in place, this summer represents a watershed moment for the current board. I'm pleased to see that so far they have held firm and not caved into early pressure. | | | |
| Eze. on 13:13 - Aug 11 with 2205 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Eze. on 13:09 - Aug 11 by Benny_the_Ball |
Yes, it would. In itself, the valuation is too low. Furthermore, Palace's offer was made up of an £8million fee plus £4million add-ons that were tied into unlikely outcomes such as Crystal Palace qualifying for Europe. Eze is still under contract and QPR can comfortably sell him for £12million in January should no one bite in the summer.
Accepting such a deal would send out a signal to other clubs that QPR are still weak when it comes to transfer negotiations and set a precedent for future dealings. With the new strategy and foundations firmly in place, this summer represents a watershed moment for the current board. I'm pleased to see that so far they have held firm and not caved into early pressure. |
Agree with all that, Benny. | |
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| Eze. on 13:17 - Aug 11 with 2186 views | danehoop |
I am not sighted of the detail of Palace's offer, so thank you for sharing the definitive offer that was made.
My point though is that in a C19 world, where FFP and clubs experiencing massive reductions to income generation, there is no black and white easy answers to transfer dealings. Most clubs outside of the Premiership and likely to be in real financial difficulty. The only things which separate us from them is that Hoos has been exceptionally effective as CEO and Tony and friends bankrolling us each month to the tune of 1M plus. So what is fair value for a player and what is good business for the clubs in such a difficult environment is perhaps not as straightforward of easy to judge as some might consider. |  |
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| Eze. on 13:29 - Aug 11 with 2137 views | Esox_Lucius |
Reading back through this thread in its entirety there is a strong element of some preparing the groundwork for a slagging off of QPR if a penny less than £20m is accepted for Ebere. I can pretty much guarantee that he will be sold for an undisclosed sum, possibly with an addendum of "believed to be..." by whichever report you are taking the info from. Since Ruben took over as head honcho, and Amit was made Chairman I feel a whole lot happier about sitting back and trusting that QPR have done the best they possibly can in any given situation.
There is a large online cadre of people who approach anything done by the club in a negative manner regardless which, in my mind, begs the question why do you bother supporting QPR if you can't see any good in it? There is no physical methodology of going back to a time when the sun shone out of QPR's ar se in those posters imagination so what are they hoping to get out of using QPR as a vehicle to be the focal point of their current disenchantment with life?
I am not blinded to some of the issues that are raised over the threads in the posts but to go on an negative offensive over every little move they make must be soul destroying and joyless. |  |
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| Eze. on 13:34 - Aug 11 with 2122 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Eze. on 13:29 - Aug 11 by Esox_Lucius |
Reading back through this thread in its entirety there is a strong element of some preparing the groundwork for a slagging off of QPR if a penny less than £20m is accepted for Ebere. I can pretty much guarantee that he will be sold for an undisclosed sum, possibly with an addendum of "believed to be..." by whichever report you are taking the info from. Since Ruben took over as head honcho, and Amit was made Chairman I feel a whole lot happier about sitting back and trusting that QPR have done the best they possibly can in any given situation.
There is a large online cadre of people who approach anything done by the club in a negative manner regardless which, in my mind, begs the question why do you bother supporting QPR if you can't see any good in it? There is no physical methodology of going back to a time when the sun shone out of QPR's ar se in those posters imagination so what are they hoping to get out of using QPR as a vehicle to be the focal point of their current disenchantment with life?
I am not blinded to some of the issues that are raised over the threads in the posts but to go on an negative offensive over every little move they make must be soul destroying and joyless. |
I agree with a lot of that but my experience of some posters is that despite the criticism, they love and support the club as much as I do (and potentially more). People have different ways of showing it that is all. I would just add though that there are the odd exceptions to that. These are probably just WUMS that should be ignored if possible. |  | | |
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| Eze. on 21:12 - Aug 24 with 1730 views | E17hoop |
Bouncing this back up because 'the media' are now reporting the following clubs have an interest:
Palace
Newcastle
Fulham
West Ham
Villa
5 clubs make an auction and will push the price nearer our estimate. |  |
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| Eze. on 21:33 - Aug 24 with 1606 views | LongsufferingR |
| Eze. on 21:12 - Aug 24 by E17hoop |
Bouncing this back up because 'the media' are now reporting the following clubs have an interest:
Palace
Newcastle
Fulham
West Ham
Villa
5 clubs make an auction and will push the price nearer our estimate. |
Having an interest and making a bid are very different things though. |  | | |
| Eze. on 22:20 - Aug 24 with 1461 views | MancR |
All this bleating seems pretty unfair against club.
1) they seem to have spotted some talent.
2) they've paid sod all for said talent.
3) they've developed talent.
4) seem to getting good offers and not accepting low offers like people said they would.
Surely that's the model the club set out to achieve. | | | |
| Eze. on 22:21 - Aug 24 with 1456 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Eze. on 21:33 - Aug 24 by LongsufferingR |
Having an interest and making a bid are very different things though. |
There is a possibility of a late entry that could put the price to £20m. But reckon £16m plus add ons might be the price. Fulham are probably going to make a decent bid, Palace may panic and then we get near the £20m. We could all get blindsided and a new bidder comes in, all are happy and job done. [Post edited 24 Aug 2020 22:22]
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