| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 14:06 - Mar 19 with 4943 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Exactly how it should be done. |  | |  |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 14:45 - Mar 19 with 4898 views | jackonicko |
Singapore is awesome.
Life here is still relatively normal, some 6 or 8 weeks since the first cases arrived on the island. No lockdown in place, I use the subway most days without thinking of it and go to the office more often than not. My son still goes to school every day . Most people wear no masks, and there is no panic.
I look at the meltdowns in the media in US, UK and Europe and shake my head. Yes we have a wave again now, but only because of returnees to Singers from the rest of the world but we already have quarantines in place. Another week or 10 days and we should see that contained as well.
Communications from the Government are clear, consistent and trusted. The population are generally calm and follow instructions.
Textbook crisis management. |  | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 14:47 - Mar 19 with 4893 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 14:45 - Mar 19 by jackonicko |
Singapore is awesome.
Life here is still relatively normal, some 6 or 8 weeks since the first cases arrived on the island. No lockdown in place, I use the subway most days without thinking of it and go to the office more often than not. My son still goes to school every day . Most people wear no masks, and there is no panic.
I look at the meltdowns in the media in US, UK and Europe and shake my head. Yes we have a wave again now, but only because of returnees to Singers from the rest of the world but we already have quarantines in place. Another week or 10 days and we should see that contained as well.
Communications from the Government are clear, consistent and trusted. The population are generally calm and follow instructions.
Textbook crisis management. |
What is your media like ours in sensationalist beyond belief. |  |
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 14:58 - Mar 19 with 4880 views | jackonicko |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 14:47 - Mar 19 by JACKMANANDBOY |
What is your media like ours in sensationalist beyond belief. |
Media here is state controlled, so it sends the Governmemt message. It’s measured.
We get sky news and cnn as well so that’s why I shake my head. | | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:06 - Mar 19 with 4864 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 14:58 - Mar 19 by jackonicko |
Media here is state controlled, so it sends the Governmemt message. It’s measured.
We get sky news and cnn as well so that’s why I shake my head. |
In contrast the BBC puts pictures of panic buying on its front page every day this week, newspapers run headlines about how many of us are going to die and the left leaning papers continually say the government has got it wrong.
And again just now the BBC put up another picture of nothing in the shops. [Post edited 19 Mar 2020 15:13]
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:24 - Mar 19 with 4830 views | Cooperman |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 14:45 - Mar 19 by jackonicko |
Singapore is awesome.
Life here is still relatively normal, some 6 or 8 weeks since the first cases arrived on the island. No lockdown in place, I use the subway most days without thinking of it and go to the office more often than not. My son still goes to school every day . Most people wear no masks, and there is no panic.
I look at the meltdowns in the media in US, UK and Europe and shake my head. Yes we have a wave again now, but only because of returnees to Singers from the rest of the world but we already have quarantines in place. Another week or 10 days and we should see that contained as well.
Communications from the Government are clear, consistent and trusted. The population are generally calm and follow instructions.
Textbook crisis management. |
How are the arrivals into SIN controlled and quarantined? |  |
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:28 - Mar 19 with 4827 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:24 - Mar 19 by Cooperman |
How are the arrivals into SIN controlled and quarantined? |
Not just quarantined, but every contact traced as well.
Those countries that experienced SARS & MERS epidemics know the drill and had action plans already in place. | | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:34 - Mar 19 with 4821 views | PozuelosSideys |
Singapore also has a population of 5.7million only and is half the land mass size of london which makes it a heck of a lot easier!!
Correct me if im wrong nicko, but arent the government rules very strict, and peopleactually listen and follow them? |  |
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:56 - Mar 19 with 4784 views | Glyn1 |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:28 - Mar 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Not just quarantined, but every contact traced as well.
Those countries that experienced SARS & MERS epidemics know the drill and had action plans already in place. |
Democracies are always messier than dictatorships / semi-dictatorships. Personally I'd be unhappy to see myself and my family continually monitored / tracked / tagged in that way. |  |
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:09 - Mar 19 with 4766 views | FieryJack |
One of the most authoritarian and controlling states in the world bosses Covid19.
That's a useful and positive by-product of a Big Brother society, I suppose.
Quite alluring, on the surface. Zero toleration of dropping litter, public drunkeness, or any anti-social behaviour.
Not sure how many of us would want to live in that sort of place, though.
"ME!", you'll all shout. |  | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:09 - Mar 19 with 4765 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:34 - Mar 19 by PozuelosSideys |
Singapore also has a population of 5.7million only and is half the land mass size of london which makes it a heck of a lot easier!!
Correct me if im wrong nicko, but arent the government rules very strict, and peopleactually listen and follow them? |
So the population density of Singapore is 8000/sq Km, London's is 5600/sq Km, with double that is some places within the borough.
It is small but it has a very busy throughput of passengers.
Over 65 Million passengers a year compared to 80 Million for Heathrow.
Now compare Singapores cases 345 with no deaths to London's which is already 621 and 25 dead and climbing.
If we could have applied Singaporean control over London (and the rest of the country of course), we would be in a much better position. | | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:12 - Mar 19 with 4755 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:09 - Mar 19 by FieryJack |
One of the most authoritarian and controlling states in the world bosses Covid19.
That's a useful and positive by-product of a Big Brother society, I suppose.
Quite alluring, on the surface. Zero toleration of dropping litter, public drunkeness, or any anti-social behaviour.
Not sure how many of us would want to live in that sort of place, though.
"ME!", you'll all shout. |
Yes me, except it is too hot for me. | | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:15 - Mar 19 with 4750 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Anywhere with state controlled media sets alarm bells off as far as I am concerned. |  |
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:18 - Mar 19 with 4746 views | ploppy |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:09 - Mar 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
So the population density of Singapore is 8000/sq Km, London's is 5600/sq Km, with double that is some places within the borough.
It is small but it has a very busy throughput of passengers.
Over 65 Million passengers a year compared to 80 Million for Heathrow.
Now compare Singapores cases 345 with no deaths to London's which is already 621 and 25 dead and climbing.
If we could have applied Singaporean control over London (and the rest of the country of course), we would be in a much better position. |
Bearing in mind, in order to apply that kind of control you have to have that monitoring "on" all the time - because you don't know when issues are going to arise. If we tried it in this country, the human rights organisations like Liberty would go nuts. Look at the furore over face recognition already. Personally, I'm not bothered by stuff like that but plenty are. | | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:27 - Mar 19 with 4725 views | Cooperman |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:28 - Mar 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
Not just quarantined, but every contact traced as well.
Those countries that experienced SARS & MERS epidemics know the drill and had action plans already in place. |
What happens when they come through immigration? Are the herded into quarantine by authority or are they allowed to head home under their own steam? | |
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:27 - Mar 19 with 4725 views | PozuelosSideys |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:09 - Mar 19 by A_Fans_Dad |
So the population density of Singapore is 8000/sq Km, London's is 5600/sq Km, with double that is some places within the borough.
It is small but it has a very busy throughput of passengers.
Over 65 Million passengers a year compared to 80 Million for Heathrow.
Now compare Singapores cases 345 with no deaths to London's which is already 621 and 25 dead and climbing.
If we could have applied Singaporean control over London (and the rest of the country of course), we would be in a much better position. |
True. But London is serviced by more than just Heathrow. You have Gatwick, City, Stanstead, Luton airports as well. You have rail links with the continent via the channel tunnel. Plus significant passenger sea links all the way across the continental board which links the UK via the SE. The UK is hopeless at controlling its borders. Id put a hell of a lot of money on London being a thoroughfare for tourists and headcount generally being signicantly higher than Singapore. Singapore is a City state.
As you say though, if you could roll out the Singapore way of doing things, it would be drastically improved, but you would have to do it to the whole of the UK. It only takes one person to go walkabout, and given there are 10x as many people, it would be extremely difficult. [Post edited 19 Mar 2020 16:28]
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:44 - Mar 19 with 4697 views | monmouth |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:09 - Mar 19 by FieryJack |
One of the most authoritarian and controlling states in the world bosses Covid19.
That's a useful and positive by-product of a Big Brother society, I suppose.
Quite alluring, on the surface. Zero toleration of dropping litter, public drunkeness, or any anti-social behaviour.
Not sure how many of us would want to live in that sort of place, though.
"ME!", you'll all shout. |
Yep. I'd be happy enough there. |  |
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 19:29 - Mar 19 with 4595 views | Glyn1 |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:44 - Mar 19 by monmouth |
Yep. I'd be happy enough there. |
No, you really, really wouldnt. Anyone who criticises the actions of the government as you do wouldn't last too long. Not dropping litter might possibly reduce your sentence. [Post edited 19 Mar 2020 19:30]
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 01:55 - Mar 20 with 4465 views | jackonicko |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:09 - Mar 19 by FieryJack |
One of the most authoritarian and controlling states in the world bosses Covid19.
That's a useful and positive by-product of a Big Brother society, I suppose.
Quite alluring, on the surface. Zero toleration of dropping litter, public drunkeness, or any anti-social behaviour.
Not sure how many of us would want to live in that sort of place, though.
"ME!", you'll all shout. |
Nonsense. Singapore is nowhere near one of the most authoritarian and controlling states in the world. It’s a functioning democracy. But the elections always return the same party. Why do you think that is? Well:
It is one of the richest nations on earth per capita of GDP, impressive for a country of only 60 years independence and with few natural resources. Yes, there are extremes of wealth (Crazy Rich Asians anyone?) but also superb levels of support and safety nets for every Singaporean.
State supported home ownership which means all Singaporeans can afford to own (not rent) their own homes, access to healthcare which is one of the best in the world and affordable and accessible for all, a state schooling system which is ranked top in the world and free to access, absolutely no homelessness, low taxation levels, clean streets, low/no crime, enviable infrastructure (subways that are reliable, air conditioned, automated and less than £1 for a journey). State supported pensions and collective benefit schemes.
Putting a Covid lens, one of the things Singapore did 5 years ago was build a specialist infectious diseases centre with 330 beds. All of the best medical equipment. Largely sitting idle waiting for a pandemic like we are all experiencing now. No wonder to date we don’t have a single death despite being in the first wave of infections.
Quite alluring? You bet.
Living here is fine. And once I’m bored with Singapore, I can go and hang out in Bali, Thailand or Malaysia for the weekend (not right now of course). You can do that cos we also have the regularly ranked best, most effective airport in the world which means you can leave the office at 6pm and be sitting by a beach in Bali having a beer by 10pm. | | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 02:06 - Mar 20 with 4462 views | jackonicko |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:34 - Mar 19 by PozuelosSideys |
Singapore also has a population of 5.7million only and is half the land mass size of london which makes it a heck of a lot easier!!
Correct me if im wrong nicko, but arent the government rules very strict, and peopleactually listen and follow them? |
Yes, there are some intrusions. We all know there is a lot of surveillance - but means there is very little crime. You’ll get caught! But it is very much in the background (I’ve never spoken to a policeman in 4 years of living here - other than once when they pulled over to chat to my 3 year old who was pointing excitedly at their police car).
On Covid, if you are served with a “stay home notice”, you can’t leave your house for 14 days. There is some monitoring and random checks undertaken. If you are Singaporean, there is a prison sentence waiting if you breach the stay home notice. If you re an ex pat, you will have your residence privileges revoked and kicked out of the country at 24 hours notice. And they will do it for sure - it has happened 5 or 6 times during this Covid crisis already.
But that means we all know the deal - if you have a stay home notice, you stay home! That’s why we have such low levels of community transmission.
The small land mass, island nature and population size makes it easier in some ways. But it also means very concentrated urban living, we all live close together, That makes the lack of community spread all the more impressive.
The real thing is people largely trust the leaders to do the right thing. We had a bit of panic buying, but the PM addressed the nation on TV, and it calmed everyone down immediately. Textbook messaging - clarity and consistency of message with calming words. Took all the panic out and we all went back to business as usual. The antithesis of Trump. | | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 02:09 - Mar 20 with 4460 views | jackonicko |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 16:27 - Mar 19 by Cooperman |
What happens when they come through immigration? Are the herded into quarantine by authority or are they allowed to head home under their own steam? |
Home under own steam, unless they have symptoms in which case they will be held at airport and screened/tested by doctors there. | | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 07:21 - Mar 20 with 4371 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 15:06 - Mar 19 by JACKMANANDBOY |
In contrast the BBC puts pictures of panic buying on its front page every day this week, newspapers run headlines about how many of us are going to die and the left leaning papers continually say the government has got it wrong.
And again just now the BBC put up another picture of nothing in the shops. [Post edited 19 Mar 2020 15:13]
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It’s become the Sun of world broadcasting. |  |
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| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 09:26 - Mar 20 with 4329 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 02:09 - Mar 20 by jackonicko |
Home under own steam, unless they have symptoms in which case they will be held at airport and screened/tested by doctors there. |
Thanks for the info.
I have read similar elsewhere. | | | |
| How Singapore dealt with it...very interesting on 01:34 - Mar 21 with 4216 views | jackonicko |
Another article today on the lessons from Asia. This repeats many of the things I said above about the Singapore response.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51970379
We are Now seeing the second wave of Covid infections from imported cases. 30/40 from today are actually UK infections of Singaporeans now since returning home. The 14 day quarantines will hopefully have that under control in the next 10 days or so (as they were implemented a week ago). | | | |
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