| NFR - Rochdale market 19:22 - Sep 16 with 11520 views | Dalenet |
A sad day - it has been announced that the market will be closed down in October. Despite the money spent on the relocation it is losing money. It is a sad state when a market in a town the size of Rochdale isn't sustainable. I would have hoped the council would persevere until the new shopping centre was open next year and see what footfall was like then. Very shortsighted decision but I guess you can't fight change. |  | | |  |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:41 - Sep 17 with 2301 views | judd |
This is an OUTRAGE.
What is our MP doing about this famous old market?
Where is the Mayor of Greater Manchester in our time of need?
768 years of history cannot be allowed to disappear just like that.
Can we get the other markets to vote for a reinstatement, perhaps at a lower level to start with?
Can we not set up a secretive message board in order to garner support for a phoenix market?
Why hasn't Lisa Stansfield chained herself to the statue of Gracie Fields, awaiting a pizza and a crate of ale?
Questions need to be asked in Parliament, if only it weren't shut for a bit.
How come bury get to keep their well run and financially viable market whilst our HISTORIC market is consigned to the annals of , erm, history?
Where is the TV interview with the old man who has visited this market for 76 years for his weekly shop of tripe, tripe and more fookin' tripe? |  |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:50 - Sep 17 with 2263 views | D_Alien |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:32 - Sep 17 by James1980 |
The nearest town to me Lewes has a pedestrianised area that has market stalls at the weekend. That seems to do quite well. http://lewesfoodmarket.co.uk/ |
Rochdale will continue to have market stalls on certain weekends, including for special events, when the public are much more likely to support them |  |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:29 - Sep 17 with 2190 views | KenBoon |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 11:25 - Sep 17 by rochdaleriddler |
The council did have a strategy to attract high wage high tec jobs to the Kingsway business park. It didn’t work, and Rochdale didn’t have the skilled workforce to staff it anyway. It has now become a warehousing centre, something we were told wouldn’t happen. Let’s not be too misty eyed about the market, in its last few years before it moved, it got gradually poorer.
Rochdale pubs are getting better, some parts of the town are looking great. unless the town centre finds a gap in the market, it will never regenerate as a shopping destination.
It’s easy to attack the council, but it is a lazy argument, many factors have led to where we are, the bottom line is people spend their dollar elsewhere, if they didn’t the town centre shops would be buzzing |
The region has the skills, it's just the folks in charge of attracting businesses to Kingsway (assume the council) were selling it as a good location because local wages are lower than other areas, rather than going after businesses that offer well paid jobs. An utter betrayal of local folk. There was never any real appetite to go after good businesses, they would take any old crap. It promised companies where you could build a career, but got zero-hour contract warehouses that appear on the news because of the way they treat their staff. |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:41 - Sep 17 with 2167 views | rochdaleriddler |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:29 - Sep 17 by KenBoon |
The region has the skills, it's just the folks in charge of attracting businesses to Kingsway (assume the council) were selling it as a good location because local wages are lower than other areas, rather than going after businesses that offer well paid jobs. An utter betrayal of local folk. There was never any real appetite to go after good businesses, they would take any old crap. It promised companies where you could build a career, but got zero-hour contract warehouses that appear on the news because of the way they treat their staff. |
I know the region has the skills, I said Rochdale didn’t . The marketing of it to warehousing came after it failed to attract the clients it wanted. |  |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:46 - Sep 17 with 2158 views | James1980 |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:40 - Sep 17 by richfoad32 |
Lewes has a completely different demographic and a population with far more disposable income than Rochdale. |
Being an outsider didn't want to assume the town wouldn't support stalls selling artisan bread etc. | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:48 - Sep 17 with 2151 views | D_Alien |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:46 - Sep 17 by James1980 |
Being an outsider didn't want to assume the town wouldn't support stalls selling artisan bread etc. |
That's fair enough. We just use our loaf | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:51 - Sep 17 with 2146 views | rochdaleriddler |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:19 - Sep 17 by 49thseason |
Why is it a "lazy argument"? Who is responsible? Who is in charge of planning policy?
Who is in charge of industrial policy? Who determined we needed another shopping centre? When did anyone honestly take public opinion into account? When did you hear any councillors or officers talking about the basIc frailty of the local economy?
The town is 15 miles away from the biggest university complex in Europe much of it focused on science and technology, how many new business start-ups have been attracted to the town from that huge potential ?
Why is there no University College in Rochdale,?
Could the money wasted on retail unicorns have been spent on upskilling? Or perhaps on providing incubator units and artisan workshops?
Can you recall any serious attempt to keep well known , now departed, businesses in the town?
Oh well never mind, we have trams, a bus station and another new council offices building and we can see the river and the rubbish. The track record is not one to be particularly proud of is it?
Without better jobs, wages will continue to be low., better jobs require skills not shops. The council has put the result of work ( spending money) ahead of the ability of people to earn enough to warrant going shopping. "Build it and they will come" is not a strategy for success its the equivalent of believing that wearing your lucky underpants is the reason Rochdale will win tonight. |
Lots of questions, well I do believe I said there are many factors at play, not just council decisions. They planned through RDA the Kingsway business park. The low wages of jobs in Rochdale aren’t caused by the council, I’ve heard lots of councillors talk of issues with the local economy. Rochdale decline has been caused by many factors, most outside of the council’s control.
I’m not an apologist for the council, they do get a lot wrong, letting a useless company ‘manage’ the market was ridiculous | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:51 - Sep 17 with 2142 views | judd |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:48 - Sep 17 by D_Alien |
That's fair enough. We just use our loaf |
Oh crumbs. | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:53 - Sep 17 with 2130 views | D_Alien |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:51 - Sep 17 by judd |
Oh crumbs. |
They're a comfort | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:56 - Sep 17 with 2122 views | rochdaleriddler |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:40 - Sep 17 by richfoad32 |
Lewes has a completely different demographic and a population with far more disposable income than Rochdale. |
There are people in Rochdale on very good incomes, they are the ones spending money elsewhere. The people on v low wages will still shop locally I guess. | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 16:38 - Sep 17 with 2003 views | isitme |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 12:50 - Sep 17 by D_Alien |
Rochdale will continue to have market stalls on certain weekends, including for special events, when the public are much more likely to support them |
They do have the artisan market once a month, but for how much longer? Many of the stalls that were there initially have disappeared.
People complain, but do often then do not support new businesses etc that are actually a bit different or good initiatives. The food and drink festival is generally a good event as well, but how many more of these could the town support?
As others have alluded to there are people in the borough with money, but with the rise of online shopping and other shopping centres/retail parks nearby they often vote with their feet.
My biggest issue with Rochdale Town centre is around the town hall there are some lovely buildings, good pubs etc but not much else. There is a distinct lack of shops to attract passing trade. Nowadays I only go into town to pick up click and collect orders.
I do think the changing demographics of town have played their part with the rise of certain types of shop and the decline of others. |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 16:44 - Sep 17 with 1995 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 13:56 - Sep 17 by rochdaleriddler |
There are people in Rochdale on very good incomes, they are the ones spending money elsewhere. The people on v low wages will still shop locally I guess. |
Remember as a kid in early 80’s going shopping with my gran, loved the market, some fantastic pies, cheese, bacon, sausages, potato cake etc. It was just a lovely mix of everything you could want. After a couple of hours or so I was treated to pie chips and gravy at the cafe up on the second level, before a bus or walk home - great memories as an 8 or 9 y at old.
I continued to use the market until I moved away around 2003, and it had declined so badly even then, the quality butchers and fishmongers remained but mostly it was video games stalls, lighters and cannabis related tat, cheap awful clothes and second hand stuff.
Not been back for year but remember butterworths sports shop and I remember a nice butchers near the sheep. Is the cafe at the top of Yorkshire st still about, think a couple of Italian brothers owned it and was always good value and good food. Maybe memories are what stops me coming back!!! |  |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 16:48 - Sep 17 with 1981 views | D_Alien |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 16:38 - Sep 17 by isitme |
They do have the artisan market once a month, but for how much longer? Many of the stalls that were there initially have disappeared.
People complain, but do often then do not support new businesses etc that are actually a bit different or good initiatives. The food and drink festival is generally a good event as well, but how many more of these could the town support?
As others have alluded to there are people in the borough with money, but with the rise of online shopping and other shopping centres/retail parks nearby they often vote with their feet.
My biggest issue with Rochdale Town centre is around the town hall there are some lovely buildings, good pubs etc but not much else. There is a distinct lack of shops to attract passing trade. Nowadays I only go into town to pick up click and collect orders.
I do think the changing demographics of town have played their part with the rise of certain types of shop and the decline of others. |
https://issuu.com/stylemagazine/docs/style56
Check out page 21 (thanks to RespectTheChemistry for posting the link on another thread)
Also, page 65
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 16:55 - Sep 17 with 1967 views | isitme |
Thanks.
I was aware that it is supposed to be on the last Saturday of each month. I've been every month since it started!
My point is how much longer will it last with a lack of footfall and the declining number of stalls. Many new business and/or initiatives start in the town but ultimately fail as the local population does not support them. | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 17:07 - Sep 17 with 1933 views | D_Alien |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 16:55 - Sep 17 by isitme |
Thanks.
I was aware that it is supposed to be on the last Saturday of each month. I've been every month since it started!
My point is how much longer will it last with a lack of footfall and the declining number of stalls. Many new business and/or initiatives start in the town but ultimately fail as the local population does not support them. |
I've only had a browse a couple of times, but the article on page 65 doesn't support your perception of it failing. You could be right, and the Style article could just be about trying to change perceptions | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 17:23 - Sep 17 with 1911 views | rochdale_ranger |
Euthanise the smack heads that walk from the flats to beg in the town centre every day. That would be a start. Re open the spread eagle. That’s literally all we need to do to have a great town centre. |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 18:34 - Sep 17 with 1839 views | finberty |
Be more welcoming to visiting drivers, who may bring trade and custom. It's bad enough navigating around the town centre when you know where you're going - must be a nightmare for visitors. The only 'easy' parking seems to be the Town Hall Square.
Otherwise you're funnelled through a filter light onto Hunter's Lane only then to queue after a ridiculously short distance to get into the overhead car park at the Exchange, or thread your way onto the undersized effort atop the Wheatsheaf, from where you can visit the empty retail units. |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 18:51 - Sep 17 with 1815 views | isitme |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 17:07 - Sep 17 by D_Alien |
I've only had a browse a couple of times, but the article on page 65 doesn't support your perception of it failing. You could be right, and the Style article could just be about trying to change perceptions |
I would probably listen to the words of the traders who I have spoken to, rather than the spin. There are some really good stalls that I would visit every month. If they were there! | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 19:04 - Sep 17 with 1792 views | dalenumber2 |
It's very sad, however I don't feel I have the right to complain as I visit the market very infrequently. It's a pity the market can't be allowed to run for a while longer to see if the regeneration helps. |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 22:22 - Sep 17 with 1703 views | James1980 |
What costs are involved running the market? Sorry for my ignorance but surely they can't be that much and shouldn't pitch fees pay for them. | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 22:46 - Sep 17 with 1671 views | rochdaleriddler |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 17:23 - Sep 17 by rochdale_ranger |
Euthanise the smack heads that walk from the flats to beg in the town centre every day. That would be a start. Re open the spread eagle. That’s literally all we need to do to have a great town centre. |
I thought you said addiction is a terrible thing, now you want addicts killed?!!! | |
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| NFR - Rochdale market on 22:51 - Sep 17 with 1659 views | soulboy |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 17:23 - Sep 17 by rochdale_ranger |
Euthanise the smack heads that walk from the flats to beg in the town centre every day. That would be a start. Re open the spread eagle. That’s literally all we need to do to have a great town centre. |
Oh dear. |  | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 23:06 - Sep 17 with 1629 views | rochdale_ranger |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 22:46 - Sep 17 by rochdaleriddler |
I thought you said addiction is a terrible thing, now you want addicts killed?!!! |
I also said opening the spread eagle would be a great boost to the town. Sorry for not taking this thread thoroughly seriously. (I don’t want to kill Drug addicts for anyone who is still unclear) | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 07:52 - Sep 19 with 1326 views | EllDale |
To be honest my first reaction when I heard the news was "what's going to happen that nice old lady and her sons who run the stall which sells watches and batteries?".
Markets seem to flourish in some towns and be moribund in others.
Huddersfield built a brand new indoor market hall 40 years ago which is now virtually empty and which the council are talking about knocking down whereas Halifax has a decent market.
It still has half a dozen butchers and a couple of fishmongers although the customer demographic seems be mainly aged 50+
My mother still gets the bus every week from Rochdale to Bury to go on the market there but she remarks that it seems to be closing around 3.00pm each afternoon once the coach trippers have left.
I understand that artisan and continental markets are fashionable these days but a lot of people consider them to be relatively expensive. A far cry from the 1900's when my grandmother used to recall going to Rochdale market around 8.00pm on a Saturday night when traders were selling perishable food off at rock bottom prices.
I remember the same market in the 1960's and early 1970's through rosetinted glasses because I suspect that it was starting to decline even then as the large supermarkets started to be built. | | | |
| NFR - Rochdale market on 08:43 - Sep 19 with 1262 views | mingthemerciless |
Yes, I know the stall you mean. Very nice people. What I'd like to know is what's happening to the large space the market vacated ? The talk was at the time of building a gym there but nothing has happened since they all moved out. | | | |
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