| Florist 08:47 - Jan 11 with 9426 views | Phildo |
Chop their manager.
Leave Steve alone please. |  | | |  |
| Florist on 08:51 - Jan 11 with 7459 views | enfieldargh |
any idea what they have spent and recouped over the last 12-8 months?
Must be a huge deficit financially.
Guess the owner just sells the better players off to his Greek team to balance the books.
On the other hand they could be right up it....
I doubt Steve would go but wouldnt be surprised at all to see the special one tip up there for the rest of the season |  |
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| Florist on 09:18 - Jan 11 with 7366 views | Mytch_QPR |
I think Steve's previous (brief) spell at Forest would put him off - and at the moment he's going well with us so why change?
Be interesting to see who they have in the frame. Usual names will be doing the rounds... |  |
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| Florist on 09:27 - Jan 11 with 7330 views | CamberleyR |
Being the first Forest manager to have a home defeat to QPR on his CV, he had to go. |  |
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| Florist on 10:12 - Jan 11 with 7246 views | aston_hoop |
Given that Forest are a club spending a few quid and with clueless foreign owners, surely its a safe bet that it'll be an unknown Portuguese manager as is all the fashion at the moment? |  |
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| Florist on 10:18 - Jan 11 with 7219 views | essextaxiboy |
Hughes would be fun ... |  | | |
| Florist on 10:22 - Jan 11 with 7199 views | loftus77 |
| Florist on 09:27 - Jan 11 by CamberleyR |
Being the first Forest manager to have a home defeat to QPR on his CV, he had to go. |
This..definitely. No way back from that. |  | | |
| Florist on 11:20 - Jan 11 with 7074 views | rsonist |
Glad we won't be seeing Karanka again in this country the horrible sod.
Jokanovic would make sense for Forest, but hopefully they continue to fail forever. |  | | |
| Florist on 11:21 - Jan 11 with 7066 views | beanofire1 |
Karanka wasn't sacked though.
He asked to be released from his contract.
Must have been that defeat to us, obviously! |  |
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| Florist on 11:23 - Jan 11 with 7058 views | daveB |
He quit again, did the same at Boro |  | | |
| Florist on 11:24 - Jan 11 with 7051 views | TheChef |
| Florist on 11:23 - Jan 11 by daveB |
He quit again, did the same at Boro |
He'll be back next week then! |  |
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| Florist on 11:41 - Jan 11 with 6991 views | CroydonCaptJack |
Can anyone cut and paste that to save us taking out a trial? |  | | |
| Florist on 12:34 - Jan 11 with 6812 views | kensalriser |
Why do people think our manager is number 1 poaching target for managerless clubs? We're doing OK, but we're 9th, that's hardly tearing it up! |  |
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| Florist on 13:28 - Jan 11 with 6676 views | hubble |
| Florist on 11:41 - Jan 11 by CroydonCaptJack |
Can anyone cut and paste that to save us taking out a trial? |
Here you go mate.
It was on a cold October morning at Nottingham Forest’s training ground when the first real signs of turbulence surfaced over Aitor Karanka’s future as manager.
A pre-scheduled visit from Evangelos Marinakis, the club’s Greek owner, included a meeting with Karanka and his players, in which a stark message was relayed. That message was effectively “promotion or nothing,” according to defender Jack Robinson after the 1-1 draw at Leeds.
It was probably not an ultimatum, but after a mammoth recruitment drive over the summer, with 17 players signed and £23 million spent, Marinakis was unhappy with Forest’s start and spelled it out that a dramatic improvement was required.
Since that meeting, Karanka has won only four Championship games — taking the total to nine victories from 26 — so perhaps his departure is not the surprise many people outside of Nottingham will probably conclude.
There are other statistics, too, which explain why Forest are now searching for their ninth permanent manager in six years. They are only seven points better off than this stage last season, despite such a drastic revamp of the squad which included the record £13.2m signing of Portuguese midfielder Joao Carvalho.
In the summer there was a broad agreement that Karanka needed to be in the play-off places by January 1, yet today they are 7th in the Championship and four points off the top six.
Karanka, unquestionably, will feel he has been harshly treated. Fans will be unhappy and neutrals will think it's another case of trigger-happy owners.
He signed a two-and-a-half year contract in January last year and there has been definite progress under the Spaniard. Living in an apartment close to the banks of the River Trent, he fully bought into the history and traditions of the former European Cup winners.
During his final weeks in charge, he was dignified and remained respectful to the club. Yet behind the scenes there were problems that extended beyond results.
Relations between Karanka and key people behind the scenes, such as chief executive Giannis Vrentzos, who reports to Marinakis almost daily, have become strained.
The appointment of a director of football, Kyriakos Dourekas, was allegedly made without Karanka’s input and there were recent allegations that he was even sat on the Forest bench for the game against Derby in December. The arrival of a sporting director, Jose Anigo, was also apparently made without Karanka being told.
Forest's owners clashed with Karanka over the lack of games for Arvin Appiah, an exciting teenage winger. They argued that Appiah should be given more time on the field, but Karanka felt it was effectively having his team picked for him.
Karanka wanted even more players in January, informing the board he also wanted to sell Michael Hefele who was only signed in August.
He had already been backed, significantly, and Forest’s board believe their spending should have yielded better results. Well-placed sources claim his attitude and mood in training has been "distant" in recent weeks and months.
This was always going to be a crucial season for Marinakis, who also owns Olympiakos. After buying the club in July 2016, the first year was all about steadying the ship and falling in line with Financial Fair Play rules after the bewildering regime of Fawaz Al Hasawi.
The second year was the one where Forest would “go for it” and, quite simply, Marinakis thinks it should have been better.
It is understood Karanka was going to be sacked hours after the 3-3 draw with Norwich on Boxing Day, with a statement even drafted that night. In that game Forest had been leading 3-0 but suffered a remarkable meltdown to draw. Some of Karanka’s substitutions in that game also bewildered the hierarchy.
But he received a short stay of execution for the game against Millwall, which was lost. Perhaps he should have gone then, to avoid stringing this out, but Forest were still intent on rebuilding the relationship. A win over Leeds on New Years Day did little to help.
Karanka’s dismissal comes at a time when, off the field, optimism has arguably never been higher in the past decade. Forest are averaging over 27,500 at the City Ground. Over 22,000 season cards have been sold. There are plans to develop the stadium which are due to be officially released soon.
But another manager departure will only strengthen the theory that Forest are in a hurry to finally end that painful exile from the top flight.
This year it will be two decades since they last operated at that level so the new man, whoever it is, will be under no illusions about the task ahead.
(No mention of the most significant reason - us beating them for the first time at their place*)
*Which was in part due to Jack Robinson mouthing off of course.
[Post edited 11 Jan 2019 13:31]
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| Florist on 14:31 - Jan 11 with 6529 views | QPR_John |
| Florist on 12:34 - Jan 11 by kensalriser |
Why do people think our manager is number 1 poaching target for managerless clubs? We're doing OK, but we're 9th, that's hardly tearing it up! |
I don't think 9th Is to be sneezed at considering. It is not the position that would interest other clubs in McClaren but the change he has made since the first four games. It is that ability that makes him a potential candidate when there is a vacancy. | | | |
| Florist on 14:37 - Jan 11 with 6511 views | Mick_S |
| Florist on 11:24 - Jan 11 by TheChef |
He'll be back next week then! |
No mate, he's been caught spying in Derbyshire. |  |
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| Florist on 14:41 - Jan 11 with 6482 views | Northernr |
- Spent loads of money
- Too many draws, not enough wins
- Exciting, attacking, younger players not being picked
- Fell out with everybody
- Demanded some more money to spend
- Stropped off
Pure Karanka. Absolute fraud this bloke. Trading off the name of Mourinho who's also been found out. |  | | |
| Florist on 14:48 - Jan 11 with 6458 views | DavieQPR |
Sherwood would suit Forest. |  | | |
| Florist on 14:58 - Jan 11 with 6416 views | Phildo |
| Florist on 14:48 - Jan 11 by DavieQPR |
Sherwood would suit Forest. |
There would certainly be a new sheriff in town if he got the job. | | | |
| Florist on 15:19 - Jan 11 with 6337 views | Dorse |
Aitor Karanka: sounds like a Bond villain who kills with poisoned darts fired from a Nose Flute. |  |
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| Florist on 15:25 - Jan 11 with 6314 views | Northernr |
| Florist on 14:48 - Jan 11 by DavieQPR |
Sherwood would suit Forest. |
That took me way longer than it should have done. | | | |
| Florist on 15:26 - Jan 11 with 6311 views | Toast_R |
Promotion or nothing...
We really were the trend setters in over spending to get promoted. I feel we should have had the copyright on this idea.
As the seasons go by, I wonder if the Championship becomes easier for those teams abiding the law as those that were in breach of it collapse into points deductions and large fines? |  | | |
| Florist on 15:36 - Jan 11 with 6285 views | Northernr |
| Florist on 15:26 - Jan 11 by Toast_R |
Promotion or nothing...
We really were the trend setters in over spending to get promoted. I feel we should have had the copyright on this idea.
As the seasons go by, I wonder if the Championship becomes easier for those teams abiding the law as those that were in breach of it collapse into points deductions and large fines? |
That's exactly the long game Hoos is playing.
From our interview with him earlier this season....
Playing devil’s advocate, why not gamble again? Are we to just resign ourselves to sitting in the middle of the Championship balancing the books forever more?
Two reasons. One, history has shown money doesn’t buy you everything. Look at what Huddersfield did, Burnley did, Sheffield United are doing. Money isn’t always the answer. Secondly, if you did decide to do it, what if 20 other teams all decide to gamble that year as well? There’s still only three going up, and the other 17 would be left to reflect on it not working out and then what?
Well, exactly, then what? Because we don’t know what the punishments are do we?
We’ll find out soon because there are clubs that are going to be in the dock for this soon and it’s been widely reported that the league will push for a 12-point deduction.
Every March every club has to submit Future Financial Information (FFI) to the league, and you wouldn’t be able to lie on that because the league knows what player contracts you’re committed to and they’re your biggest source of expense. They can see how much you’re going to lose and can see if you’re going to breach at which point they step in and your only way out then is to sell a lot of players over the summer. They monitor it, they can see if you’re going to be in breach and if that’s the case then even before they’ve seen that third set of audited accounts they can take action. If you think you can slip under the radar and by the time they realise it you’re in the Premier League, it tends not to work that way.
I think it’s changed the way clubs are going to be run moving forwards. A manager can’t just come in and say ‘I want this player, this player and this player’ any more. You have to look at the future impact of committing to three- and four-year contracts. We’re constantly running future scenarios and not just worrying about the current season. We’ve used the loan market this season because if we’d gone out and tried to buy those three players, or their equivalent, that would have been at least a three-year commitment going forwards at a time when we’re about to lose our parachute payments. It’s trying to balance costs and revenues as best we can.
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/48999/hoos-talks-w | | | |
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