| Israel / Gaza 13:23 - Jun 3 with 16647 views | Neath_Jack |
Right then, can someone explain to me (in simple terms) what the craic is out there?
I'm not interested on views on who is right/wrong etc.
Who are Fatah/Hamas/PLO and whoever else is there.
Who's fighting for what?
Just that i'm reading a book at the moment and a chap is out there and he's naming all these different groups and i don't know what's what.
No opinions, just facts please. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 18:36 - Jun 4 with 2090 views | perplex |
Why ask on here when you can google the facts, but who ever is to blame and all party`s are at fault really and despite all the awful stuff going on over there, the one outcome which would spell disaster for all of us is Iran developing nukes, simply because of there ideology. |  | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 19:02 - Jun 4 with 2072 views | Neath_Jack |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:36 - Jun 4 by perplex |
Why ask on here when you can google the facts, but who ever is to blame and all party`s are at fault really and despite all the awful stuff going on over there, the one outcome which would spell disaster for all of us is Iran developing nukes, simply because of there ideology. |
You should have read my opening post my friend.
I know the history of Israel, but what i couldn't get my swede around was who all the militia groups play for.
I was reading a book on another subject, and he kept mentioning different militias, so i wanted a quick breakdown on who is who out there. And there are some very intelligent posters on here.
I'm not interested in who is at fault.
Thanks for maybe reading again. | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 19:51 - Jun 4 with 2041 views | ItchySphincter |
bluey the jooo |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 19:51 - Jun 4 with 2041 views | Lord_Bony |
Can you imagine if that happened in israel?
There would be hundreds of Palestinians killed by now in retaliation. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 19:54 - Jun 4 with 2040 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Israel / Gaza on 19:51 - Jun 4 by Lord_Bony |
Can you imagine if that happened in israel?
There would be hundreds of Palestinians killed by now in retaliation. |
Might want to reconsider your view on Israel.
The same Israel who repaired the electricity supply in Gaza Hamas blew up.
The same Israel Hamas leaders send relatives for surgery...
Still, can't change the minds of some with facts. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 20:02 - Jun 4 with 2030 views | ItchySphincter |
There's a doc on Netflix about how an Indian Yogi who moved to Oregon with a bunch of non-natives.
Got kicked out in the end, which was kind of fair. | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 20:04 - Jun 4 with 2029 views | perplex |
| Israel / Gaza on 19:02 - Jun 4 by Neath_Jack |
You should have read my opening post my friend.
I know the history of Israel, but what i couldn't get my swede around was who all the militia groups play for.
I was reading a book on another subject, and he kept mentioning different militias, so i wanted a quick breakdown on who is who out there. And there are some very intelligent posters on here.
I'm not interested in who is at fault.
Thanks for maybe reading again. |
Fair enough, maybe you should try try typing in Militia groups in the google search. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 20:06 - Jun 4 with 2024 views | Neath_Jack |
| Israel / Gaza on 20:04 - Jun 4 by perplex |
Fair enough, maybe you should try try typing in Militia groups in the google search. |
I tried the polite approach.
I'll ask as many questions on here as i want too, and as you can see from the replies, there are some very helpful people about.
F*ck off if you don't like the thread. | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 20:16 - Jun 4 with 2013 views | Slimer |
| Israel / Gaza on 20:04 - Jun 4 by perplex |
Fair enough, maybe you should try try typing in Militia groups in the google search. |
Maybe you should tvvat off. |  | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 21:35 - Jun 4 with 1975 views | Lord_Bony |
| Israel / Gaza on 19:54 - Jun 4 by bluey_the_blue |
Might want to reconsider your view on Israel.
The same Israel who repaired the electricity supply in Gaza Hamas blew up.
The same Israel Hamas leaders send relatives for surgery...
Still, can't change the minds of some with facts. |
Well,an important fact often left out of Tv news reports is that in this war the Israeli side is armed with high-tech, high-cost weaponry: a large arsenal of nuclear weapons, F-16s, helicopter gunships, top-of-the line tanks, sniper scopes, the best helmets and personal safety gear money can buy. Palestinians, on the other hand, whose land has been invaded by Israel (this fact is also usually omitted) are largely unarmed. Some have a small supply of rifles, handguns, and home-made mortars; very few have uniforms, helmets, etc.
For Israel it is, basically, a turkey shoot. The only “weapon” that Israel fears is that tragic result of such an unequal conflict: the suicide bomber. | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 21:40 - Jun 4 with 1966 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Israel / Gaza on 21:35 - Jun 4 by Lord_Bony |
Well,an important fact often left out of Tv news reports is that in this war the Israeli side is armed with high-tech, high-cost weaponry: a large arsenal of nuclear weapons, F-16s, helicopter gunships, top-of-the line tanks, sniper scopes, the best helmets and personal safety gear money can buy. Palestinians, on the other hand, whose land has been invaded by Israel (this fact is also usually omitted) are largely unarmed. Some have a small supply of rifles, handguns, and home-made mortars; very few have uniforms, helmets, etc.
For Israel it is, basically, a turkey shoot. The only “weapon” that Israel fears is that tragic result of such an unequal conflict: the suicide bomber. |
Pslestinian land eh? Awkward claim that really.
"Home-made mortars".
There is none so gullible... still, carry on falling for the Pallywood spin. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 21:47 - Jun 4 with 1958 views | Lord_Bony |
| Israel / Gaza on 21:40 - Jun 4 by bluey_the_blue |
Pslestinian land eh? Awkward claim that really.
"Home-made mortars".
There is none so gullible... still, carry on falling for the Pallywood spin. |
Not really a level playing field though is it Blue mate?
And Netanyahu still banging on about Iran getting close to developing a nuclear bomb while Israel hides its massive stock of nukes from the world...you could not make it up.   | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 21:49 - Jun 4 with 1943 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Israel / Gaza on 21:47 - Jun 4 by Lord_Bony |
Not really a level playing field though is it Blue mate?
And Netanyahu still banging on about Iran getting close to developing a nuclear bomb while Israel hides its massive stock of nukes from the world...you could not make it up. |
So you want people like Hamas, dedicated to killing Jews to be armed to the teeth.
Interesting.
Iran want to destroy Israel. Also interesting you fail to factor that into your final comment.
Indeed, as you said... you couldn't make it up. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 21:54 - Jun 4 with 1934 views | Lord_Bony |
| Israel / Gaza on 21:49 - Jun 4 by bluey_the_blue |
So you want people like Hamas, dedicated to killing Jews to be armed to the teeth.
Interesting.
Iran want to destroy Israel. Also interesting you fail to factor that into your final comment.
Indeed, as you said... you couldn't make it up. |
Why is Netanyahu making such a fuss over Iran developing a nuclear weapon (there's still no hard evidence on this...apart from Netanyahu and friends say so) and then hiding Israels nukes from the rest of the world?
Strange government. That's not good for peace. | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 22:10 - Jun 4 with 1916 views | phact0rri |
| Israel / Gaza on 19:54 - Jun 4 by bluey_the_blue |
Might want to reconsider your view on Israel.
The same Israel who repaired the electricity supply in Gaza Hamas blew up.
The same Israel Hamas leaders send relatives for surgery...
Still, can't change the minds of some with facts. |
This is the same israel that was giving the Palestinians, six hours of electricity a day? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20415675
The same Israel that recently set up a blockaid stopping the flotilas with innocent non combatants and hurt Palestinians inneed of urgent medical care, to sail to get proper medical help because israel denies it to them?
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/.premium-palestinian-floti
Again its bad on both sides, but getting facts straight does help a bit. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 22:19 - Jun 4 with 1902 views | bluey_the_blue |
Maybe if Hamas stopped targetted power supplies then maybe things would be better.
Maybe if Egypt opened their border but then again they don't get criticised.
As for the Haaretz article, all that can be seen is that a flotilla attempting to break the blockade was stopped nothing else. I don't bother with articles behind paywalls.
It'll be a far better day when people condemn Hamas with the same vehemence they do Israel. As I keep saying, not a major fan of Netanyahu but the attempts to paint him as worse than Hamas are utterly pitiful. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 22:47 - Jun 4 with 1886 views | phact0rri |
| Israel / Gaza on 22:19 - Jun 4 by bluey_the_blue |
Maybe if Hamas stopped targetted power supplies then maybe things would be better.
Maybe if Egypt opened their border but then again they don't get criticised.
As for the Haaretz article, all that can be seen is that a flotilla attempting to break the blockade was stopped nothing else. I don't bother with articles behind paywalls.
It'll be a far better day when people condemn Hamas with the same vehemence they do Israel. As I keep saying, not a major fan of Netanyahu but the attempts to paint him as worse than Hamas are utterly pitiful. |
the floatila has been all over the news about how they are trying to get injuried people to hospital... but I digress.
I can understand the annoyance about how people seem to point more fingers at Israel than at hamas, I have a jewish friend who I debate this with quite often, and I can see frustration despite hamas also being in the wrong at points and never hit on as much as the israelies. But its also easier to look at israel this wasy when they have one of the best funded militaries in the world. It feels like they are just taking what they want, and killing indiscriminately, with their impressive toys. and where thats very much the one sided approach-- its hard not to feel that Israel could be more humane in their dealings, if it wasn't for the religious hate in place between the two nations. And this is also what gets in the way of any proper deals in place.
Its a tricky situation for sure... but for me, i always think that the ones on top the ones marginalizing and oppressing the other needs to take responsibility. And israel would go a long way in that realm if they'd clean up thier act on the illegal settlements. | |
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| Israel / Gaza on 00:17 - Jun 5 with 1853 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Israel / Gaza on 21:49 - Jun 4 by bluey_the_blue |
So you want people like Hamas, dedicated to killing Jews to be armed to the teeth.
Interesting.
Iran want to destroy Israel. Also interesting you fail to factor that into your final comment.
Indeed, as you said... you couldn't make it up. |
A fair fight is when both parties get the same weapons. The Israelis just don't want a fair fight.... |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 13:40 - Jun 5 with 1744 views | Ebo |
| Israel / Gaza on 19:54 - Jun 4 by bluey_the_blue |
Might want to reconsider your view on Israel.
The same Israel who repaired the electricity supply in Gaza Hamas blew up.
The same Israel Hamas leaders send relatives for surgery...
Still, can't change the minds of some with facts. |
The same Israel who year by year gobble up more land that they were originally given in the first place. The same Israel who illegally evict people out of their homes. The same Israel who have basically turned Gaza into an open prison. The same Israel who are constantly condemned by the UN and Amnesty International over their treatment and bombardment of Palestinians.
You wonder why people are angry at these fake Jews? Israel is a stain on Judaism. |  |
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| Israel / Gaza on 18:10 - Jun 5 with 1709 views | perplex |
| Israel / Gaza on 20:06 - Jun 4 by Neath_Jack |
I tried the polite approach.
I'll ask as many questions on here as i want too, and as you can see from the replies, there are some very helpful people about.
F*ck off if you don't like the thread. |
Now now try not to get worked, up the thread is ok and by all mean`s ask away, but surely if you asked Google the answers will be there for you, but for whatever reason you prefer to ask on here then happy day`s, hope you get my drift old boy. | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:13 - Jun 5 with 1709 views | perplex |
| Israel / Gaza on 19:01 - Jun 3 by Neath_Jack |
Thanks for that, but what i'm really after is who Fatah/Hamas/PLO are, and who they are fighting against.
Who do the UK/USA/Russia governments support? |
Then Google it you Muppet.  | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:19 - Jun 5 with 1706 views | perplex |
| Israel / Gaza on 20:16 - Jun 4 by Slimer |
Maybe you should tvvat off. |
Bit harsh, you seem upset, are you ok.  | | | |
| Israel / Gaza on 18:35 - Jun 5 with 1693 views | bluey_the_blue |
| Israel / Gaza on 22:47 - Jun 4 by phact0rri |
the floatila has been all over the news about how they are trying to get injuried people to hospital... but I digress.
I can understand the annoyance about how people seem to point more fingers at Israel than at hamas, I have a jewish friend who I debate this with quite often, and I can see frustration despite hamas also being in the wrong at points and never hit on as much as the israelies. But its also easier to look at israel this wasy when they have one of the best funded militaries in the world. It feels like they are just taking what they want, and killing indiscriminately, with their impressive toys. and where thats very much the one sided approach-- its hard not to feel that Israel could be more humane in their dealings, if it wasn't for the religious hate in place between the two nations. And this is also what gets in the way of any proper deals in place.
Its a tricky situation for sure... but for me, i always think that the ones on top the ones marginalizing and oppressing the other needs to take responsibility. And israel would go a long way in that realm if they'd clean up thier act on the illegal settlements. |
I agree with you on the settlements.
Problem is, Hamas et al couldn't really give a toss. Just another way they can urge others to kill themselves on their behalf. | | | |
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