| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar 12:19 - Apr 4 with 22012 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183
Now I know most of us think the gun laws in the US are crazy but they have the right to protect themselves and their homes.
I can't see how this is not reasonable force and self-defense. |  |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:21 - Apr 4 with 14518 views | toboboly |
Strange as he was defending himself and the burglar had the weapon so doubt he will get convicted.
Agree that if some fcker comes into your house intending harm then they become fair game should you want to go all hostel on them. |  |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:23 - Apr 4 with 14502 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Elsewhere 48 people have been stabbed or shot dead in London with little or no provocation this year so far. | |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:30 - Apr 4 with 14464 views | stevec |
The Old Bill do love an easy arrest. |  | | |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:40 - Apr 4 with 14432 views | Metallica_Hoop |
Let's hope he's released without charge. |  |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:43 - Apr 4 with 14419 views | hopphoops |
Well anyone who stabs and kills someone will get arrested. The issue of self-defence will be addressed at the trial. |  |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:44 - Apr 4 with 14416 views | stowmarketrange |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:30 - Apr 4 by stevec |
The Old Bill do love an easy arrest. |
At least they can’t charge him with having no tv licence.
Surely he could only be charged with manslaughter,not murder?I know it’s a technicality but he didn’t set out to kill the burglar did he? |  | | |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:45 - Apr 4 with 14403 views | Juzzie |
"One suspect, armed with a screwdriver, forced the man into his kitchen where a struggle ensued and he was stabbed, Scotland Yard said."
"struggle ensued" being the key words. How's that murder then? It's not as though the man sought out the people and went after them and attacked them. He was defending his home as anyone of us would do. I certainly would with Mrs Juzzie and two small kids at home.
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar (n/t) on 12:50 - Apr 4 with 14373 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:43 - Apr 4 by hopphoops |
Well anyone who stabs and kills someone will get arrested. The issue of self-defence will be addressed at the trial. |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar (n/t) on 12:50 - Apr 4 with 14373 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 12:43 - Apr 4 by hopphoops |
Well anyone who stabs and kills someone will get arrested. The issue of self-defence will be addressed at the trial. |
Will be down to CPS but why waste money on this, a trial will likely kill him.
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar (n/t) on 12:51 - Apr 4 with 14362 views | hopphoops |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar (n/t) on 12:50 - Apr 4 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Will be down to CPS but why waste money on this, a trial will likely kill him.
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar (n/t) on 12:52 - Apr 4 with 14351 views | isawqpratwcity |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar (n/t) on 12:50 - Apr 4 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Will be down to CPS but why waste money on this, a trial will likely kill him.
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We didn't hear you the first time. There was no need to not repeat it. |  |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar (n/t) on 12:54 - Apr 4 with 14342 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar (n/t) on 12:52 - Apr 4 by isawqpratwcity |
We didn't hear you the first time. There was no need to not repeat it. |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 13:16 - Apr 4 with 14249 views | Northernr |
Just to play devil's advocate (I completely agree that if you break into somebody's house you should be completely fair game) the police rock up to a house, there's a bloke dead with a screwdriver in his chest, there's another bloke there who says "he broke in and tried to kill me, I accidentally killed him in the struggle" do you want them to just believe him and send him on his way? Agree if he's charged and the CPS take it to trial then it's ridiculous but let's wait and see... |  | | |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 15:13 - Apr 4 with 13994 views | Match82 |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 13:46 - Apr 4 by Northernr |
I agree feck em if that's the case. What I'm saying is the police turn up, there's a bloke with a screwdriver in his chest, the other bloke says it was a burglary, you would want the police to at least investigate whether that's true or not, not just take his word for it! |
Not going to sell many papers with that headline though are you? |  | | |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 15:26 - Apr 4 with 13955 views | Juzzie |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 13:46 - Apr 4 by Northernr |
I agree feck em if that's the case. What I'm saying is the police turn up, there's a bloke with a screwdriver in his chest, the other bloke says it was a burglary, you would want the police to at least investigate whether that's true or not, not just take his word for it! |
For me it's the "arrested on suspicion of murder" that's the issue. He should be arrested for the reasons you say but there shouldn't be any comment as to murder, manslaughter, self-defence etc. as that has not been established.
Where has the notion of "suspicion of murder" come from? If not from the Police then maybe it's just (bad) paper sub-headlines but it really should say "A 78-year-old man has been arrested" and stop at that.
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 16:06 - Apr 4 with 13888 views | JAPRANGERS |
78 year old man kills a burglar. Good on him! The burglar shouldn't have been there. |  | | |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 16:51 - Apr 4 with 13842 views | kensalriser |
I wouldn't like to be the prosecutor in that trial.
That said, no one who wasn't there knows exactly what actually happened. |  |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 17:09 - Apr 4 with 13812 views | hopphoops |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 15:26 - Apr 4 by Juzzie |
For me it's the "arrested on suspicion of murder" that's the issue. He should be arrested for the reasons you say but there shouldn't be any comment as to murder, manslaughter, self-defence etc. as that has not been established.
Where has the notion of "suspicion of murder" come from? If not from the Police then maybe it's just (bad) paper sub-headlines but it really should say "A 78-year-old man has been arrested" and stop at that.
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He has my sympathy, I hate to think what would happen if I found someone who'd broken in to my place in the middle of the night. But:
You have to be arrested for something i.e. the arresting officer has to cite the crime in question.
Legal process can be a good thing for the defendant. The CPS must be satisfied there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction, and that prosecuting is in the public interest. Self-defence cases require a jury only to believe the defendant took what seemed to be reasonable steps to defend himself to acquit.
Self-defence is a justification rather than an excuse; and an absolute rather than a mitigating defence - so all or nothing.
If this case is as clear-cut as the story suggests, the CPS will not refer the case and this chap's actions will be formally justified, so he can continue with no suggestion hanging over him that he has done anything unlawful. | |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 18:14 - Apr 4 with 13727 views | BromleyHoop |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 17:09 - Apr 4 by hopphoops |
He has my sympathy, I hate to think what would happen if I found someone who'd broken in to my place in the middle of the night. But:
You have to be arrested for something i.e. the arresting officer has to cite the crime in question.
Legal process can be a good thing for the defendant. The CPS must be satisfied there is sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction, and that prosecuting is in the public interest. Self-defence cases require a jury only to believe the defendant took what seemed to be reasonable steps to defend himself to acquit.
Self-defence is a justification rather than an excuse; and an absolute rather than a mitigating defence - so all or nothing.
If this case is as clear-cut as the story suggests, the CPS will not refer the case and this chap's actions will be formally justified, so he can continue with no suggestion hanging over him that he has done anything unlawful. |
If it’s a simple case of elderly homeowner kills burglar in a struggle then not only will there not be a trial but I would suggest that the circumstances could be fully investigated without even arresting the elderly gentleman. This seems to me to be a clear case of the local Police not having the bottle to do the right thing, they have abdicated responsibility to the CPS by just nicking the old boy to avoid any criticism.
He should have been interviewed under caution, no arrest, no time in a cell, CPS could have been consulted while the old boy has a cup of tea at home....or someone else’s home. |  |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 18:24 - Apr 4 with 13694 views | SimonJames |
I'd like to think that there must be more to it than we are being told (i.e. did he know his "victim") - or the charges are being misreported.
Otherwise to charge him with "murder" is utter stupidity and would be rejected out of hand by any sane jury. |  |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 18:32 - Apr 4 with 13682 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
It is reported, a second intruder remains at large. if that's true. | |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 18:43 - Apr 4 with 13659 views | BromleyHoop |
| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 18:24 - Apr 4 by SimonJames |
I'd like to think that there must be more to it than we are being told (i.e. did he know his "victim") - or the charges are being misreported.
Otherwise to charge him with "murder" is utter stupidity and would be rejected out of hand by any sane jury. |
He’s not been charged according to this report. He’s been arrested. The only aggravating factor could be, like the chap shot by the farmer at his remote farmhouse some years ago, is if the fatal stab wound is in the back. It could be argued that the burglar was in the process of running away when he was stabbed which could be considered to be unreasonable and not proportionate. Which is why that farmer stood trial. | |
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| A 78-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder of burglar on 19:04 - Apr 4 with 13629 views | DavieQPR |
The small but noisy P.C. crowd will accuse him of killing someone who had a difficult upbringing and he should have just pointed out the error of his ways.
The second burglar will receive help and compensation for the trauma. [Post edited 4 Apr 2018 19:08]
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