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This is my first post on LFW. Have to say there's a bit of trepidation as I've read and enjoyed the wit and wisdom on the forum for a long, long time, so thank you for the entertainment and please be gentle!
I'm a ST holder in Ellerslie Road and have followed Rangers since Sept 1972 when we beat Cardiff 3-0 at LR. I was 6 years old and that was that. We've all been through the ups and downs of following Rangers but despite the 2 recent promotions, I found the Briatore and Fernandes regimes hard to square with my idea of what QPR are about. Even so, I am more optimistic than I have been for some time with JFH at the helm so my glass is half full. Over the last couple of games, it seems that for the first time this season most fans expectations are realistic. that we need to build rather than go up this season. It did get me thinking though, about how the club or us as fans, would define what 'success' for QPR actually means. For me, in the short term, it's for us to be in a position where every season isn't a case of "shit or bust", which seems to have been the case every season since TF took over. In the medium term it would be having a team to be proud of, which includes players coming through the ranks. Long term, it would be promotion - don't get me wrong, I want us to be the best we can be, but I think in recent years, we have paid to high a price to get there..
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 12:31 - Mar 24 with 12723 views
That seems plausible fair enough decent R's testimony,Frankie 5 A's
but are you willing to say the exact same thing
if you're long lost super hard elder
brother was sat behind you?
'I'm 18 with a bullet.Got my finger on the trigger,I'm gonna pull it.."
Love,Peace and Fook Chelski!
More like 20StoneOfHoop now.
Let's face it I'm not getting any thinner.
Pass the cake and pies please.
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 13:11 - Mar 24 with 12653 views
For me it's similar. I want us to be in the Premier League all the time, but not at all costs, not just so we can try and cobble together 11 wins and 6 draws every season, and not to the point of bankrupting ourselves to do it. Given our resources and what we're ever likely to achieve, I think it's criminal we don't have more of a go at the cups. Smaller clubs with worse teams than ourselves have gone very long distances in both cups in recent years and we can barely win a single tie.
Two or three years in the Prem every now and again, a good cup run every few years, developing our own players and being proud of the team is about the height of my aspirations. We've spent a quarter of a billion quid in five years and achieved almost none of even that.
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 14:05 - Mar 24 with 12531 views
Classy post Frankie. Agree with pretty much all of that. For me QPR has always been about a team that is made up of honest, hungry professionals, playing entertaining attacking football; usually with one or two maverick players that not just our fans, but football fans everywhere enjoy watching.
Before the Briatore Ecclestone era we were most other fan's favourite second team. And even though Briatore and Ecclestone did awful things with the W12 boutique crap they were always looking for a manager that would get the team to play attractive football. Even if a manger only lasted five minutes, Jude was banned and we played in blue shorts. What was all that about?
QPR is about the team playing the type of football that entertains the fans. It always has been. When TF came in it was more about building the brand, the club, the new stadium and bringing in 'players' that reflected the upscale dream. That was wrong. I think he now knows that was wrong. I and many fans kept writing forget the new stadium and all these crazy fees on players and simply get the product on the pitch, the team and the football it plays right. It isn't there yet but it does feel like JFH has the required mindset to concentrate on the primary rules of a QPR team, made up of honest, hungry professionals, playing entertaining attacking football; usually with one or two maverick players that we enjoy watching.
I have a slightly skewed view on us because when Dad first brought me to LR we were top of the league, our captain was England captain, we had 10 internationals in the team, including the biggest character in the game at the time. I just kind of assumed that was things in their rightful order. So for the long stretches since then when things haven't been going swimmingly, I have just felt that we were in a temporary blip before returning to our proper place.
And actually, I still think that. We will still win the league (if Leicester can do it so can we), have the top scorer in Europe again, supply five of the England team at the same time etc. We are the chosen ones. We are QPR.
I'm all fired up now. C'mon URRRRRRRRRRRS!
[Post edited 24 Mar 2016 15:50]
I am still Steve but no longer in Dagenham.
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 15:52 - Mar 24 with 12377 views
Thank you one and all, I feel warm inside now! I agree with all the sentiments expressed, let's hope we start by getting a decent kit next year - that and getting to the 4th round of the Cup and I'm happy.
For now, I must leave you but remember this; "Those were the great old days, you know... And we was like the Roman Empire... The QPR family was like the Roman Empire... "
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 16:12 - Mar 24 with 12308 views
Thank you one and all, I feel warm inside now! I agree with all the sentiments expressed, let's hope we start by getting a decent kit next year - that and getting to the 4th round of the Cup and I'm happy.
For now, I must leave you but remember this; "Those were the great old days, you know... And we was like the Roman Empire... The QPR family was like the Roman Empire... "
Gibbons.
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 08:15 - Mar 25 with 12060 views
Welcome mate. I like your first post. I went to my first game about a year after you, although I was 7 at the time -- QPR v Spurs and Stanley scored. That was that.
For me success would be having the same manager for a decade. I was going to write for more than one season, but that would only be temporary success. But if we could hold onto one manager for a whole decade it would indicate many things; most of them good. It would indicate that, at a minimum, we weren't failing -- the slightest failure and the itchy trigger finger just cannot resist. It might even indicate that management grew up and realized that stability is a key ingredient to success.
So, I am not asking for much from my team -- just the maturity to start something and see it through. Is that too much?
Thank you one and all, I feel warm inside now! I agree with all the sentiments expressed, let's hope we start by getting a decent kit next year - that and getting to the 4th round of the Cup and I'm happy.
For now, I must leave you but remember this; "Those were the great old days, you know... And we was like the Roman Empire... The QPR family was like the Roman Empire... "
That closing thought sounds very morgantwin like........!!!!! ;)
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 17:17 - Mar 25 with 11843 views
Here's my two pence and it's not necessarily what defines success for QPR overall, but if over the next years what I'm about to write happens, I'd define that as success.
Rather than move away from Loftus Road, stay. Buy the Jack Tizard School and look to try and successfully relocate them. There's a perfect opportunity to do this in a sensitive manner and move the school to the new Old Oak area once it arrives.
That would allow us to expand Loftus Road and introduce a raft of needed improvements, whether it's more office space, corporate or commercial facilities, or whatever. It could include improvements to facilities and an increase in capacity.
It means we can stay at home. It means we don't need to move. It means we can solve many of our problems and actually improve on things we're scared of losing forever, such as the closeness to the pitch and the atmosphere. Rather than worry about whether we'd lose those things, we know we'd likely improve them by staying and increasing the capacity by just a few thousand. It will only take that many in the same stadium to really make a difference.
That would allow us to focus on the training ground and embed ourselves back into the local community again, and keep everything as close together as possible. It would probably be a hell of a lot cheaper to do too. Certainly far less money than buying and building a brand new stadium and with much less political and development hassle.
From here, re-integrating into the local community is vital and needs to be tapped into. There needs to be a focus on ensuring the surrounding areas feel part of this, and that QPR are interested in them and vice versa. There are plenty of people locally now who have no interest in QPR and that has to change back to how it was before.
Finding that local spirit again will help the club build on its supporter base organically. Those people will take more interest and pride in their club and hopefully that translates back throughout the club who can then take pride in itself properly as an institution. That in turn will help the club build on its history in a proud manner, not a shameful one, as it has done for some time now.
When that happens, QPR feels like the QPR it used to be. To me, that's success, no matter what division the team is in. If the people supporting the club and those who work for it, do so with the pride and expectations we all want to see, then there will always be that feeling of togetherness and unity. And then that us versus them mentality is QPR versus everybody else, not QPR versus each other, which has been the case for many years now and pre-dates the current and even previous sets of owners. It's that malaise that set in that needs to be reversed, but it can only be done so if you actually care about the clubs best interests first.
[Post edited 25 Mar 2016 18:04]
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 06:03 - Mar 26 with 11644 views
We are around the 37th biggest club in England. It is about fighting above our size playing good attractive football.
Ideally in the top half of the Premiership although would rather we were top half of the Championship rather than struggling in the bottom third of the Premier League.
Lots of goals and excitement and being able to stand on our own 2 feet financially Recruiting young talented skilled players with good strong characters that represent us well. No more mercenaries please.
U R's
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 10:51 - Mar 26 with 11588 views
For me, realistic success is improving evry season as a club. On & off the pitch. Like you, I have gained some optimism over the last month that we are moving towards this.
However, I am wary that TF could change (again) his goals/expectations come the summer. Perhaps JFH has achieved too much too quickly & will be saddled with unfair expectations!
Of course, what I would really like, is to see a Rangers team play every week in the same way as the Jago/Sexton side did! Failing that, if they can equal the Venables team I would be reasonably happy!
Sadly though, that ain't gonna happen!
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What is 'success' for QPR? on 11:15 - Mar 26 with 11573 views
What is 'success' for QPR? on 10:51 - Mar 26 by terryb
Good post Frankie.
For me, realistic success is improving evry season as a club. On & off the pitch. Like you, I have gained some optimism over the last month that we are moving towards this.
However, I am wary that TF could change (again) his goals/expectations come the summer. Perhaps JFH has achieved too much too quickly & will be saddled with unfair expectations!
Of course, what I would really like, is to see a Rangers team play every week in the same way as the Jago/Sexton side did! Failing that, if they can equal the Venables team I would be reasonably happy!
Sadly though, that ain't gonna happen!
We used to be a top London club and lots of people had us as there 2nd favourite team. I feel we've lost a lot of respect within football. Gaining that respect back,wether its losing that "big spending" QPR tag or just playing consistent good football in whatever league we're in,would go some way in getting respect back. We sold our soul last time we was in the prem. If we could be a premiership club without the need to buy big name players and keep the core of hardworking,honest players we've brought in from L1 and championship clubs that work to a QPR philosophy,than that to me would be a success story. A bit like the 10/11 season.
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