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Why oh why don't we put a man on the post when defending corners, that would have been a bread and butter clearance for their second goal, there were 7 Swans players in the box when that corner came over to Arsenals 4, so we had 3 players marking fresh air. also when defending free kicks with a wall, if you had a man on the post behind the wall in case of the up and over then the keeper can cover the other side, Spurs game comes to mind.where if Fab was covering that part of the goal even their second free kick would have been saved if Fab was covering that corner.
I agree 100% about putting people on the posts for set pieces but I think the issue with the Spurs goals was that we didn't learn from their first by putting someone on the post for the second. Mistakes happen but not learning from mistakes is just stupidity. Yes, I know that Eriksson's 2nd was just under the bar and it was unlikely that a defender would have reached it but just having someone there would have reduced the size of his target considerably and probably have made him aim somewhere else giving Fab a much better chance of saving it in any other part of the goal. Siggy's goal at Villa would have hit a man on the post in the chest.
Heard Leighton James on Radio Wales on the way home yesterday ranting about putting men on posts for set pieces and although he sometimes comes across as a bit of a madman, he was making very valid points on the subject.
Of course it is stupidity not to do it, good question for a fans forum.We must have the PL record for goals against at set pieces. Wonder if it ever happened when Sousa was Manager.
I would leave Montero and ayew up front so that the opposition have to leave at least 3 back. Which makes the corner easier to defend.
For our corners feddy and ash seem pretty ineffectual, so leave them back, and work some short corners.
That would involve thinking about fast counter attacking as an option, which seems beyond the skillset of both players and management.
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I agree 100% about putting people on the posts for set pieces but I think the issue with the Spurs goals was that we didn't learn from their first by putting someone on the post for the second. Mistakes happen but not learning from mistakes is just stupidity. Yes, I know that Eriksson's 2nd was just under the bar and it was unlikely that a defender would have reached it but just having someone there would have reduced the size of his target considerably and probably have made him aim somewhere else giving Fab a much better chance of saving it in any other part of the goal. Siggy's goal at Villa would have hit a man on the post in the chest.
Heard Leighton James on Radio Wales on the way home yesterday ranting about putting men on posts for set pieces and although he sometimes comes across as a bit of a madman, he was making very valid points on the subject.
Eriksson's second would be the part of goal that Fab would cover, as the wall was covering the other side, i would put a man on side the wall covers, as a lot of "specialist" free kick takers, and i include our Syggi in this context have the ability to get the ball over the wall into that corner where as a man on THAT post would head off the line. Just my thoughts, it's not just our team NO team does it
That's just reminded me of our second goal at Anfield in the league cup win...absolute poetry in motion.....you sod.
Sorry.
In theory we should still be able to play like that, even without Dyer and the still woefully underrated De Guzman. It's just not something we appear particularly interested in doing.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
In theory we should still be able to play like that, even without Dyer and the still woefully underrated De Guzman. It's just not something we appear particularly interested in doing.
To answer the O.P.'s question in a word. Indiscipline.
Is this a serious thread? If we put a man on the post on free kicks the opposition could build a wall of their own around the keeper and not be offside...
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Eriksson's second would be the part of goal that Fab would cover, as the wall was covering the other side, i would put a man on side the wall covers, as a lot of "specialist" free kick takers, and i include our Syggi in this context have the ability to get the ball over the wall into that corner where as a man on THAT post would head off the line. Just my thoughts, it's not just our team NO team does it
Hear me out on this one. I think goalies put the wall on the wrong side at free kicks such as the ones spurs scored.
By having the wall covering the near side skillfull dead ball players can get it up and over quite easily, and the keeper can't see it till it's too late.
If the wall covered the far side the taker has to bend the ball a long way to get it in that corner, and the keeper has time to get across.
It means the free kick taker has a direct sight of goal but the goalie has 20 yards to see the ball coming and only half the goal to defend. No decent keeper should be beaten by such a shot and he is effectively "daring" the taker to have a shot.
We did under previous managers i think.I always remember Leon doing it usually.We done it at Cardiff when caulker scored too and it was shelvey then who made a bit of a hash of it.
Not sure about the free kick thing as it changes the whole offside dynamic. Could then stand an attacking player right in front of the keeper etc?
Totally agree
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We haven't been able to defend corners and set pieces since we were in the Championship.
Also we can't seem to score ourselves from them either
Must make for comical training session !!
Don't agree, that was one area where Bony was light years ahead of Gomis. He headed clear an amazing amount of high balls and had a great anticipation for where the ball would be. Plus Fab was also commanding his area better than now.
We did under previous managers i think.I always remember Leon doing it usually.We done it at Cardiff when caulker scored too and it was shelvey then who made a bit of a hash of it.
Leon must have cleared 3 or 4 off the line a couple of years ago, I think possibly twice v west ham alone.
Agree with others that having a player on the line at free kicks is not such a good idea, but the wall does hinder the keeper almost as much as help him.
Is this a serious thread? If we put a man on the post on free kicks the opposition could build a wall of their own around the keeper and not be offside...
maybe, if he is put on the line straight away, how about someone going to the line as the free kick taker is about to take the kick, not giving the opposition time to put their own "wall" around our keeper, TBO didn't think of the offside ruling if we put a man there.
I agree, I don't understand why we stopped putting someone on a post when defending corners. I hadn't noticed until recently that we don't have anyone there.
Leon must have cleared 3 or 4 off the line a couple of years ago, I think possibly twice v west ham alone.
Agree with others that having a player on the line at free kicks is not such a good idea, but the wall does hinder the keeper almost as much as help him.
Agreed the amount of goals Leon has saved on the line you need more than one pair of hands to count, makes you wonder if he was too small to compete for the cross ball he logically went for the post duty to be most effective, makes sense.
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