| B teams 15:37 - May 8 with 9601 views | macro |
From 2016/17 it seems
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| B teams on 20:36 - May 8 with 2191 views | 49thseason |
Accy also seem to have invoked the ire of a lot of pre-pubescent teenagers who have never been to a football match but who will support a premiership team for life ... or until their mothers take the telly out of their bedroom.
Its time for the Football League to sever all links with the FA and tell them where to put their FA cup - you know the one that "the special ones" start in round 3 and don't give a shit about until its the only way to make even more money as a route into europe.
How about this Mr Dyke - only allow B teams to compete in the FA cup and make them start at the preliminary round 1? That should get them some game time.. The rest of us would then stand a better chance of actually winning the bloody thing. |  | | |
| B teams on 20:58 - May 8 with 2126 views | 442Dale |
Amazingly Danny Mills has found something he's even worse at than playing at right back. Frightening lack of intelligence. |  |
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| B teams on 21:21 - May 8 with 2081 views | robbowood |
In Germany, home games against B teams are characterised by a completely empty away end as the A team is playing at home at the same time (Bayern an honourable exception, they sometimes bring 50). For away trips to B teams you get the thrill of standing in an enormous empty stadium with 50 home fans
Ultimately it doesn't matter if the B teams don't draw any fans at all - they're financed by their parent club, meaning that many clubs can't compete with them and distorting the league. Germany are talking about getting rid of it next year as the level they are playing at it isn't competitive enough, and its better off loaning players to other clubs in their Championship
"It will benefit the national team". Well that was the main selling point of the Premier League when it came into existence. How's that worked out?
Dyke says: "Our intention is not in any way to devalue the quality/attraction of football played in England. Nor is it in anyway to undermine the traditions and integrity of our football pyramid."
Well that's exactly what he's doing!!!!!!! |  | | |
| B teams on 21:51 - May 8 with 2037 views | RotherhamDale |
I hate things like this. Hopefully it'll be a complete non-starter. |  |
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| B teams on 22:11 - May 8 with 2007 views | KenBoon |
There's a Southampton fan on Twitter saying he's not seen one good argument against it (he must be blind).
Yes that's the same Southampton we beat home and away in League matches three years ago. Some people have short memories. |  | | |
| B teams on 22:18 - May 8 with 1983 views | TVOS1907 |
| B teams on 22:11 - May 8 by KenBoon |
There's a Southampton fan on Twitter saying he's not seen one good argument against it (he must be blind).
Yes that's the same Southampton we beat home and away in League matches three years ago. Some people have short memories. |
Was it SouthamptonJoe? (or whatever he was called) |  |
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| B teams on 22:18 - May 8 with 1981 views | roccydaleian |
| B teams on 21:51 - May 8 by RotherhamDale |
I hate things like this. Hopefully it'll be a complete non-starter. |
I hope so as well RD. But listening to Dyke getting pelters on Talk Sport off Durham it seems the PL are gonna offer the FL clubs sweeteners, to take this shit thing on board. Basically it will be bribery. |  | | |
| B teams on 22:33 - May 8 with 1956 views | stuartcryer |
should the fa just reduce the number of over seas player each club has, or will that effect their income i think bigger pic needs looking at and see what English football is all about
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| B teams on 04:38 - May 9 with 1804 views | DiddyDave |
As I`ve said many times,the game is going stark raving mad. Who does this Greg Dyke think he`s kidding? The English game is all about the clubs,nobody really gives a toss about the national team like they seem to do in Germany,Italy and Spain. This is an absolute crackpot idea,but it just shows that might is right. As in life,the rich bleed off the poor,and if the little clubs like Dale disappear,I`m sure the Mourinhos,Abramoviches of this world wouldn`t give a flying f*ck. | | | |
| B teams on 06:58 - May 9 with 1771 views | aleanddale |
For the sake of league football lets hope its a non starter.
Is this really the best master plan Dyke could dream up? what an absolute toss pot.. | | | |
| B teams on 07:00 - May 9 with 1767 views | wimborne_dale |
There is a proposal to limit on the number of non EU players. Apparently, a squad full of French, Spanish and Germans helps the national team more than one with too many Brasilians and Argentines. |  |
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| B teams on 08:08 - May 9 with 1729 views | dingdangblue |
| B teams on 22:18 - May 8 by roccydaleian |
I hope so as well RD. But listening to Dyke getting pelters on Talk Sport off Durham it seems the PL are gonna offer the FL clubs sweeteners, to take this shit thing on board. Basically it will be bribery. |
Liked Durhams question " What if in time , with promotion to lge 1, the top 7 teams are made up of b teams? Are you going to have to promote the teams that finish 8th and 9th? Dyke's response " that's not likely to happen" ???? Of course it could happen - you could easily see man city,Chelsea,Liverpool,arsenal,man utd,Everton,spurs b teams being good enough. Ridiculous idea. |  |
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| B teams on 08:38 - May 9 with 1700 views | electricblue |
There is not enough money filtering down as it is without this happening...
Any teams in the prem n championship who want a B league should have a separate B league away from the rest if there are 30 plus teams the have 2 divisions.....
2 relegated n 2 promoted....
But keep it away from the football league setup... |  |
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| B teams on 10:33 - May 9 with 1620 views | CarpeDiem |
| B teams on 08:38 - May 9 by electricblue |
There is not enough money filtering down as it is without this happening...
Any teams in the prem n championship who want a B league should have a separate B league away from the rest if there are 30 plus teams the have 2 divisions.....
2 relegated n 2 promoted....
But keep it away from the football league setup... |
Danny Mills says "fans of Hartlepool would far rather see their club play Manchester United B than Torquay United."
That is just simply not true. It is just crap. | | | |
| B teams on 10:39 - May 9 with 1600 views | D_Alien |
| B teams on 10:33 - May 9 by CarpeDiem |
Danny Mills says "fans of Hartlepool would far rather see their club play Manchester United B than Torquay United."
That is just simply not true. It is just crap. |
I don't use Twitter, but for those who do, I suggest bombarding this idiot's account with alternative suggestions |  |
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| B teams on 10:41 - May 9 with 1597 views | SuddenLad |
| B teams on 08:08 - May 9 by dingdangblue |
Liked Durhams question " What if in time , with promotion to lge 1, the top 7 teams are made up of b teams? Are you going to have to promote the teams that finish 8th and 9th? Dyke's response " that's not likely to happen" ???? Of course it could happen - you could easily see man city,Chelsea,Liverpool,arsenal,man utd,Everton,spurs b teams being good enough. Ridiculous idea. |
Exactly the point I raised yesterday. Entirely unworkable and in the event, it will almost certainly happen where the 'B' teams occupy the promotion & play-off places.
This is a cack-handed, ill-thought out plan simply to appease those clubs with money and huge squads. It's a case of f++k those who rely on the pyramid system, they can suffer.
Dyke knows absolutely nothing about football outside the Premiership, but more importantly - and dangerously - he doesn't care, just so long as his paymasters are satisfied, he's done his job.
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| B teams on 10:48 - May 9 with 1586 views | Scunnydale |
I had a debate with a Hull fan about this yesterday. He was all for it and thought it would benefit lower-league teams. I can't see it.
For me, the main point is attendances. Spurs B aren't going to take many fans to anywhere are they? Even if Spurs aren't playing.
Also, if the plan is to give young English players game time, why are they only talking of limiting foreign players outside of the Premier League?
It's ludicrous and the facade of it being for the benefit of the national team is transparent. It's all for the benefit of the Premier League clubs. |  | | |
| B teams on 11:05 - May 9 with 1550 views | D_Alien |
| B teams on 10:41 - May 9 by SuddenLad |
Exactly the point I raised yesterday. Entirely unworkable and in the event, it will almost certainly happen where the 'B' teams occupy the promotion & play-off places.
This is a cack-handed, ill-thought out plan simply to appease those clubs with money and huge squads. It's a case of f++k those who rely on the pyramid system, they can suffer.
Dyke knows absolutely nothing about football outside the Premiership, but more importantly - and dangerously - he doesn't care, just so long as his paymasters are satisfied, he's done his job.
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Unfortunately, he does know a fair amount about life outside the premiership - since his time as Chairman of Brentford.
This IMO makes his suggestions even more dangerous, since holding that position might lead many people to think he actually knows what he's talking about regarding restructuring. To counter these proposals will need more than abuse, or blanket dismissal. It'll need a very carefully thought through and determined campaign, which looks like it's already starting.
I can honestly see a breakaway occuring to get the football league out from under the auspices of the FA, in a similar way to how the Rugby League broke away from the Union many moons ago.
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| B teams on 11:09 - May 9 with 1527 views | leonardrafc |
| B teams on 10:33 - May 9 by CarpeDiem |
Danny Mills says "fans of Hartlepool would far rather see their club play Manchester United B than Torquay United."
That is just simply not true. It is just crap. |
Some of the quotes Danny has come out with shows how clueless he is about football and his patronising views on lower league football is insulting.
He talks as if we should be grateful for a chance to play Premiership B teams/reserves/youth/outcasts, whatever the FA want to sugar coat this as. I think he forgets that supporters at this level are loyal fans and not mostly plastic armchair supporters | | | |
| B teams on 11:10 - May 9 with 1524 views | robbowood |
| B teams on 10:48 - May 9 by Scunnydale |
I had a debate with a Hull fan about this yesterday. He was all for it and thought it would benefit lower-league teams. I can't see it.
For me, the main point is attendances. Spurs B aren't going to take many fans to anywhere are they? Even if Spurs aren't playing.
Also, if the plan is to give young English players game time, why are they only talking of limiting foreign players outside of the Premier League?
It's ludicrous and the facade of it being for the benefit of the national team is transparent. It's all for the benefit of the Premier League clubs. |
Some interesting comments in an article in The Independent
Good ideas around the issue of encouraging and protecting that endangered species, the elite English footballer. The problem for the FA chairman was his headline B-team idea — a proposal to ride the proverbial coach and horses through the Football League pyramid in pursuit of a finishing school for post-academy, pre-first-team players stacking up in Premier League clubs.
A historical parallel: Richard Scudamore, the Premier League chief executive, who will be seething with much of this Commission's criticisms, has negotiated billions in broadcast deals, but it is his disastrously unpopular "39th game" proposal in 2008 that the public will remember him for. The Daily Mail announced him on their back page the following day as "the man who sold our game".
The B-team league feels like Dyke's 39th game moment. It was a step too far on a justification that was preposterously thin. Is the only way of guaranteeing a successful England team taking a sledgehammer to the lower leagues? Outside of Wembley, it was a struggle to find any support.
Manchester United, City and Spurs, who Dyke had cited as supporters of the plan, were backing off tonight. The Football League said as politely as possible that it was not acceptable. Its members were less diplomatic. Accrington Stanley of League Two tweeted: "In 2016-17 [the proposed year of introduction] we can achieve our dream... to finally play Stoke City reserves in the Football League."
In his other roles in British public life, Dyke no doubt saw a currency in pushing the boundaries but this report was evidence that there still exists such a thing as a bad idea. The B-team league is one. It felt like a decision made on the hop with a report that, for all its interesting points, had graphs based on data from transfer websites of questionable accuracy not to mention one, on page 63, sourced to Wikipedia.
Dyke presented the findings alongside two of his Commission members, Howard Wilkinson and Danny Mills, who frequently interrupted the FA chairman to pursue digressions of their own. If the report felt at times like a sixth form project, then the presentation was even more bewildering. Wilkinson went on one ramble about a meeting at St George's Park concerning a winter break. Mills reminisced about his reserve team days. Both agreed doing nothing was not an option.
That is undeniable, given the dwindling figures of English players in our top two leagues, and especially in the elite clubs. The statistic of the day was that the percentage of English players starting games in last season's top four clubs has dropped from 28 per cent to 23, and that only one new English player has featured in a league match from those top four: James Wilson of Manchester United.
Yet, neither Mills nor Dyke seemed to grasp that what needs to be addressed is the problem of stockpiling players at the biggest clubs, where limitless budgets mean that huge numbers of youngsters are harvested, as Wilkinson said, "out of fear". All they are doing is finding new ways of deploying these stockpiled players rather than forcing clubs to decide who to recruit and who to leave for others.
As ever, it came down to money and a proposed deal between the Premier League clubs who wanted a B team and the Football League, that Dyke variously envisaged as a "settlement" (p16 of the report) and "a significant financial settlement" (p71). Estimates suggest it would cost £2m for every Premier League club that wants a little slice of the Football League.
Judging by the attitude, those Premier League clubs were retreating from the idea quicker than the England defence in that World Cup tie against Germany in 2010. At one point, Dyke admitted he didn't expect the whole thing to be implemented anyway. He was right on that score. | | | |
| B teams on 13:19 - May 9 with 1379 views | pioneer |
| B teams on 22:18 - May 8 by roccydaleian |
I hope so as well RD. But listening to Dyke getting pelters on Talk Sport off Durham it seems the PL are gonna offer the FL clubs sweeteners, to take this shit thing on board. Basically it will be bribery. |
Yes, that is exactly what happened in Rugby League - crisis at the national team level - get crushed by Australia and NZ home and away - need to strengthen the club game at the top - increase the money coming in through Murdoch and protect it for the big clubs but bribe the small clubs to accept it - and guess what - we still lose to Australia and NZ and the big clubs still spend money on foreigners preventing english lads getting a chance - oh and Bradford, London, Wakefield etc etc are all in dire financial straights.
Perhaps supporters of all football league clubs so coordinate a massive form of protest for early next season.
We struggle for crowds given the alternatives for peoples entertainment dosh. Does he think people will shell out 15-20 quid to watch Dale play crystal palace reserves? Thats a massive increase in the price of watching reserve team football.
Any mention of what would happen if Stoke City reserves finished 23rd in Division 2? | | | |
| B teams on 13:22 - May 9 with 1368 views | pioneer |
| B teams on 10:33 - May 9 by CarpeDiem |
Danny Mills says "fans of Hartlepool would far rather see their club play Manchester United B than Torquay United."
That is just simply not true. It is just crap. |
The words 'dark' and 'satanic' come to mind when Mills open his gob.
When was the last time he paid to watch a football league game ?(the same sniff test could be used for the other folks on the Dyke's committee). | | | |
| B teams on 13:30 - May 9 with 1349 views | sandylaner1 |
UEFA 'A' Coaches:
England - 1,178
Germany - 5,500
Spain - 12,720
Cost of Course:
England - £5,600
Germany - €530
Spain - €1,200 |  | | |
| B teams on 13:36 - May 9 with 1336 views | raadale |
| B teams on 13:30 - May 9 by sandylaner1 |
UEFA 'A' Coaches:
England - 1,178
Germany - 5,500
Spain - 12,720
Cost of Course:
England - £5,600
Germany - €530
Spain - €1,200 |
Think that post sums up the whole situation perfectly..... |  | | |
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