| How did this get missed 08:30 - Feb 23 with 759 views | Boundy |
That the 4 IRA terrorists /murderers had been deemed potentially unlawfully killed by the SAS after their attack on Coalisland RUC station in February 1992,this following a coroner’s court ruling that the Special Forces were not justified in using lethal force against four IRA members in a 1992 ambush.
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| How did this get missed on 09:49 - Feb 23 with 698 views | onehunglow |
Have we apologised to the Irish yet for killing their killers ? | |
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| How did this get missed on 10:56 - Feb 23 with 660 views | Kilkennyjack |
This is why we have a legal system.
You appear to be suggesting that because you are a soldier then the laws of the land somehow do not need to apply to you. They do. You might not like that fact, but its a fact nevertheless.
I have no idea about the rights and wrongs in this case, only the judge has that detailed evidence.
Maybe you know more than the judge ?
I thought you would be very supportive of the British Legal system given your pro-Brit position on every other issue …?
Btw it took the UK govt 40 years to apologise for Bloody Sunday. |  |
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| How did this get missed on 11:17 - Feb 23 with 632 views | Boundy |
| How did this get missed on 10:56 - Feb 23 by Kilkennyjack |
This is why we have a legal system.
You appear to be suggesting that because you are a soldier then the laws of the land somehow do not need to apply to you. They do. You might not like that fact, but its a fact nevertheless.
I have no idea about the rights and wrongs in this case, only the judge has that detailed evidence.
Maybe you know more than the judge ?
I thought you would be very supportive of the British Legal system given your pro-Brit position on every other issue …?
Btw it took the UK govt 40 years to apologise for Bloody Sunday. |
and as if by magic my stalker appears . | |
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| How did this get missed on 11:20 - Feb 23 with 618 views | trampie |
The de facto English army should not go round executing people, it seems like they love to shoot people in the back that are no threat, bogside massacre another example, they also killed unarmed people in the street in Gibraltar including women I guess that was done infront of women and children as if i recall it was in a shopping street in the middle of the day, also there are accusations about what the de facto English army have done in Afghanistan, accusations of children been shot dead in their beds etc
I am a tax payer and I want the army to behave to higher standards than that, I don't blame the squaddies but the people telling them what to do. |  |
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| How did this get missed on 12:30 - Feb 23 with 563 views | union_jack |
| How did this get missed on 11:20 - Feb 23 by trampie |
The de facto English army should not go round executing people, it seems like they love to shoot people in the back that are no threat, bogside massacre another example, they also killed unarmed people in the street in Gibraltar including women I guess that was done infront of women and children as if i recall it was in a shopping street in the middle of the day, also there are accusations about what the de facto English army have done in Afghanistan, accusations of children been shot dead in their beds etc
I am a tax payer and I want the army to behave to higher standards than that, I don't blame the squaddies but the people telling them what to do. |
It’s not an English army, de facto or otherwise as you well know. |  |
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| How did this get missed on 13:34 - Feb 23 with 526 views | Boundy |
| How did this get missed on 11:20 - Feb 23 by trampie |
The de facto English army should not go round executing people, it seems like they love to shoot people in the back that are no threat, bogside massacre another example, they also killed unarmed people in the street in Gibraltar including women I guess that was done infront of women and children as if i recall it was in a shopping street in the middle of the day, also there are accusations about what the de facto English army have done in Afghanistan, accusations of children been shot dead in their beds etc
I am a tax payer and I want the army to behave to higher standards than that, I don't blame the squaddies but the people telling them what to do. |
So you've found them guilty already , no surprise thee I suppose , you only seem to pop up when there are posts like this for you to comment on . You really should post more often its so enlightening .As pointed out to you ,its the British Army which includes Welsh Regiments. | |
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| How did this get missed on 13:37 - Feb 23 with 505 views | trampie |
| How did this get missed on 12:30 - Feb 23 by union_jack |
It’s not an English army, de facto or otherwise as you well know. |
Well I remember the vote in Parliament to put our boys boots on the ground in Iraq ( I think it was ) and all the mps literally to a man and woman representing constituencies in Ireland, Scotland and Wales voted against war with the majority of mps in England voting for war, it was the only time I can remember the weight of English mps not getting their way, as the army do the bidding of the government which in nearly every instance is the bidding of English mps.
Our prime minister had to tell the president of the United States we would not be joining them as he could not go against the will of Parliament.
So in that sense most of the time it is a de facto English army. | |
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| How did this get missed on 13:38 - Feb 23 with 505 views | onehunglow |
| How did this get missed on 11:20 - Feb 23 by trampie |
The de facto English army should not go round executing people, it seems like they love to shoot people in the back that are no threat, bogside massacre another example, they also killed unarmed people in the street in Gibraltar including women I guess that was done infront of women and children as if i recall it was in a shopping street in the middle of the day, also there are accusations about what the de facto English army have done in Afghanistan, accusations of children been shot dead in their beds etc
I am a tax payer and I want the army to behave to higher standards than that, I don't blame the squaddies but the people telling them what to do. |
More thin veiled racist Shute
Welsh soldiers serve in BRITISH arm
Wales has no army
It depends on England for its defence
You clearly support and have supported IRA cause
It's what reviles me about you and your constant anti England filth | |
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| How did this get missed on 13:42 - Feb 23 with 494 views | trampie |
| How did this get missed on 13:34 - Feb 23 by Boundy |
So you've found them guilty already , no surprise thee I suppose , you only seem to pop up when there are posts like this for you to comment on . You really should post more often its so enlightening .As pointed out to you ,its the British Army which includes Welsh Regiments. |
I haven't found the squaddies guilty, not sure about the powers that be mind you.
They can call themselves what they like its ran by the English, English mps say do this and that and that is what happens. | |
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| How did this get missed on 13:49 - Feb 23 with 472 views | trampie |
| How did this get missed on 13:38 - Feb 23 by onehunglow |
More thin veiled racist Shute
Welsh soldiers serve in BRITISH arm
Wales has no army
It depends on England for its defence
You clearly support and have supported IRA cause
It's what reviles me about you and your constant anti England filth |
Wales depends on England for its defence you say ....hmm
and I don't support the IRA per se, no English or Irish in me butt, just call things as I seem them all sides did bad things but one side had a cause and the otherside didn't, simples. | |
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| How did this get missed on 14:11 - Feb 23 with 449 views | onehunglow |
| How did this get missed on 13:49 - Feb 23 by trampie |
Wales depends on England for its defence you say ....hmm
and I don't support the IRA per se, no English or Irish in me butt, just call things as I seem them all sides did bad things but one side had a cause and the otherside didn't, simples. |
And without England, it is defenceless
Welsh soldiers in British army
Welsh soldiers killed by Irish terrorists
It's that simple | |
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| How did this get missed on 14:34 - Feb 23 with 411 views | trampie |
| How did this get missed on 14:11 - Feb 23 by onehunglow |
And without England, it is defenceless
Welsh soldiers in British army
Welsh soldiers killed by Irish terrorists
It's that simple |
Wales isn't defenceless, an independent Wales can look after its own defence just like other small nations do. | |
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| How did this get missed on 16:04 - Feb 23 with 368 views | SullutaCreturned |
| How did this get missed on 13:49 - Feb 23 by trampie |
Wales depends on England for its defence you say ....hmm
and I don't support the IRA per se, no English or Irish in me butt, just call things as I seem them all sides did bad things but one side had a cause and the otherside didn't, simples. |
Have you done a DNA test then?
One side had a cause you say, so you jusrify their murder of women and children then?
You don't think defending the innocent is a cause in itself then? | | | |
| How did this get missed on 17:26 - Feb 23 with 314 views | trampie |
| How did this get missed on 16:04 - Feb 23 by SullutaCreturned |
Have you done a DNA test then?
One side had a cause you say, so you jusrify their murder of women and children then?
You don't think defending the innocent is a cause in itself then? |
Absolutely not, deliberately killing ordinary civilians is murder.
As regards my views I'm getting across I have no bias through family, religion, ethnicity etc, they are all foreigners to me, one side had a cause and our lot backed the oppressors just like our government are doing in the Palestinian conflict. | |
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| How did this get missed on 18:48 - Feb 23 with 243 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| How did this get missed on 12:30 - Feb 23 by union_jack |
It’s not an English army, de facto or otherwise as you well know. |
It is according to the BBC Turkish language facebook page. I correct them every day after breakfast. |  |
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| How did this get missed on 19:15 - Feb 23 with 230 views | Kilkennyjack |
| How did this get missed on 14:11 - Feb 23 by onehunglow |
And without England, it is defenceless
Welsh soldiers in British army
Welsh soldiers killed by Irish terrorists
It's that simple |
You have created a problem for your own argument here.
You state Wales has no army. Fair enough.
But that logic must then mean there is no English army.
Then you state Wales depends on England (not Britain ?) for its defence.
But England has no army by your own logic.
You cant have it both ways.
What i will say is that soldiers sign up and are paid to do the bidding of uk government.
You should understand that the soldiers (like the population at large) will not always agree with the missions they are on, or even what they are being asked to do. They carry out the instructions because they are professionals, ie lawful orders.
Its a good thing that no nation in the world is threatening Wales with war. | |
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| How did this get missed on 17:25 - Feb 24 with 110 views | AnotherJohn |
I have to say that I thought this coroner's verdict was very dubious. It appears to rest on the proposition that all along the SAS patrol intended to kill the PIRA members in the stolen truck when it returned to a nearby Clonoe chapel car park after a heavy machine gun attack on Coalisland police station. The SAS patrol had been tipped off that cars would pick up the assailants in the car park and were concealed behind a surrounding hedge. This was in darkness, except for car headlights, an hour before midnight. The coroner asks us to accept that the soldiers should have waited while the DShK heavy machine gun in the truck was disassembled when it would not have posed a threat, and then issued a warning to surrender. There was little consideration of the fact that the machine gun still had rounds in the belt and that there were 3 AKM rifles in the truck, two of which were still fully loaded. It was noted that they were all set to safety when the shooting started. Another area about which very little has been said is that there were three and possibly up to 7 other PIRA team members in three Ford Cavalier getaway cars in the car park. Three persons were captured alive either in the car park or nearby, one of whom later received a big compensation payment. Two cars drove away, one of which crashed nearby and one that made a clean getaway. It seems likely that they did fire some shots back. One soldier has a minor facial bullet wound, and I haven't seen anything to prove this was not unfriendly fire. Three of these men, Coney, Woods, and McKeever, were later charged with attempted murder and firearms offences, but managed to get off on a lesser charge of assisting offenders leading to 3 year suspended sentences.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/crime/general/clonoe-ambush-courts-went-soft-on-getawa
I cannot see how the SAS soldiers would not have been at risk had they waited for all the PIRA team to get safely in the three cars complete with loaded 7.62mm weapons, and given a verbal warning. Even as things were, one soldier had his head shaved by a bullet. [Post edited 24 Feb 17:52]
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| How did this get missed on 18:10 - Feb 24 with 78 views | AnotherJohn |
| How did this get missed on 19:15 - Feb 23 by Kilkennyjack |
You have created a problem for your own argument here.
You state Wales has no army. Fair enough.
But that logic must then mean there is no English army.
Then you state Wales depends on England (not Britain ?) for its defence.
But England has no army by your own logic.
You cant have it both ways.
What i will say is that soldiers sign up and are paid to do the bidding of uk government.
You should understand that the soldiers (like the population at large) will not always agree with the missions they are on, or even what they are being asked to do. They carry out the instructions because they are professionals, ie lawful orders.
Its a good thing that no nation in the world is threatening Wales with war. |
"...no nation in the world is threatening Wales with war." And he thinks there would be no targets in Wales!
https://pembrokeshire-herald.com/72560/the-welsh-towns-and-cities-named-on-hit-l
I suppose this is similar to the mindset of our friends in the RoI, who see little need to invest in defence and prefer to freeload on the air and naval protection provided by the UK. I can see Trump getting on their case with all that tax money coming to them from US multinationals. [Post edited 24 Feb 18:26]
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| How did this get missed on 18:18 - Feb 24 with 68 views | onehunglow |
| How did this get missed on 10:56 - Feb 23 by Kilkennyjack |
This is why we have a legal system.
You appear to be suggesting that because you are a soldier then the laws of the land somehow do not need to apply to you. They do. You might not like that fact, but its a fact nevertheless.
I have no idea about the rights and wrongs in this case, only the judge has that detailed evidence.
Maybe you know more than the judge ?
I thought you would be very supportive of the British Legal system given your pro-Brit position on every other issue …?
Btw it took the UK govt 40 years to apologise for Bloody Sunday. |
Not as long as IRA apologising for the likes of Omagh
Still, plenty of BRITISH lads got blown up to the dust bowl
Wales defence ! I'm lost for words
I thought it would not need any as it would be pacifist, neutral , non combatant
A land loved so much nobody would want to hurt its inhabitants unlike the nasty English | |
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| How did this get missed on 18:38 - Feb 24 with 57 views | SullutaCreturned |
| How did this get missed on 14:34 - Feb 23 by trampie |
Wales isn't defenceless, an independent Wales can look after its own defence just like other small nations do. |
How? Do you think the Senedd can afford an army, airforce and navy if we were indy?
If there was a world war that somehow didn't go nuclear and England was invaded, do you think they'd stop at Offa's Dyke?
I'll ask again, have you done a DNA test, how certain are you there's no English or Irish in you? Chances are you'll be 60-70% Celtic with a fair chance of Saxon, Norman, Germanic, Gaelic, Scandinavian or Spanish blood in there somewhere.
You can thank the Romans. | | | |
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